- From: Aaron Swartz <aswartz@swartzfam.com>
 - Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 17:46:09 -0600
 - To: Greg FitzPatrick <greg.fitzpatrick@metamatrix.se>, <www-rdf-logic@w3.org>, <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
 
Greg FitzPatrick <greg.fitzpatrick@metamatrix.se> wrote:
> I argue that before we can have a semantic web we should at least have a
> semantic mail.
While it may not be a prerequisite, I certainly think it's useful and may
actually be one of the killer apps for the Semantic Web.
We've had this discussion before on XML-DIST-APP, search for "Time for
XMail?"
> Though I am completely serious about this, I will warn you there is an
> undertone in this proposal:  Would we do it?  Would we really insert these
> tags into our mails?
What tags? I see no more tagging than already exists -- the rest is just the
sharing of data.
>> http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html
> Greg: good ideas from Jamie Z but as I understand it, this deals with mail
> as defined in RFC 821-2 (as is), without thought to extensions.
But it does mention RDF and XML. ;-) Anyways, if this hasn't been done yet,
and requires no changes to the email infrastructure, what makes you think an
entire infrastructure overhaul will take off?
>> Re the details, I would propose a distinction between representations of
>> mail in RDF and re-formaliting the body of mail messages in XML/RDF. The
Of course.
>> latter is harder as you'd need rich mail clients. Somewhere in
>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ there was a proposal a year or so back for
>> such a format.
I can't seem to find it, but for the former:
http://www.w3.org/Submission/2000/07/
looks somewhat useful. In general, this may have some overlap with the XML
Protocol Activity. Personally, I'd recommend my changedPage spec, for its
utter simplicity:
http://my.theinfo.org/changed/
It may require some application-specific additions, but it was designed with
exactly this type of application in mind.
>> Who sent it, which messages it is in reply to, perhaps an RDF
>> representation of autoclassified categories, plus annotations / comments
>> added after the fact. That'd be plenty to be going on with.
Definitely.
>> We wouldn’t have to worry about the wisdom of dividing up the RDF list into
>> interest and logic or debate the pros and cons of a SW list.  We would no
>> longer have to sort through all those hundreds of mails on our desktops but
>> rather follow the flow of ideas as interpreted and presented by parsers and
>> applications of our choosing.
This is, of course, the value of URIs. One URI per message, categories
(mailing lists) added as RDF assertions.
> we replace the addressee with wwsm@w3c.org signifiying that
> the mail was wwsm hunky-dory and to be considered as part of the big picture,
> we would have to add a tag for the core list name ex. – RDF logic.
Hmm, rather than trying to build this kind of extensional mess on the
current system, I say start anew.
> 2. We should formalise our way of quoting.
If we used HTML, we could use <q cite="{x}">.
> mail was stamped with its archive URL.
Definitely should happen -- mail should _be_ its archive URL! This is the
URI world, after all.
> I would be prepared to offer 10 hours of my short life on this if anybody
> else was interested.
Only 10? I'm interested, perhaps even more than 10 hours worth.
> Perhaps an unofficial BOF in San Diego?
Sorry, I won't be in San Diego.
> There might be some tie-ins with WebDav and XML-mail as well.
XML-Mail? You mean:
http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/xmtp.html
? Looks like Jonathan's site is down.
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