- From: Bass, Mick <mick.bass@hp.com>
- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:48:15 -0700
- To: SIMILE public list <www-rdf-dspace@w3.org>
Session Ident: #simile [08:59] * Now talking in #simile [09:00] * kevins2 has joined #simile [09:00] * Rob has joined #simile [09:04] * marbut has joined #simile [09:06] <marbut> mickBass: I want to take a poll of moving the plenary to the 17th and 18th of December [09:07] <marbut> David: That looks pretty good. I may have an hour of conflict here or there. [09:07] <marbut> Mark: I'd have a preference of the 17th and 18th. [09:07] <marbut> AndyS: That's okay. [09:07] <marbut> Rob: Those dates work for me. [09:08] <marbut> mickBass: I'll wait to hear from Eric, but keep the 16th - 18th open until we can pick. [09:08] <marbut> mickBass: I brainstormed a list of open actions from prior weeks. [09:09] <marbut> One is to get a quick status on each of these items, the other is to see if there are other actions. [09:09] <marbut> Mark, you were looking to hook-up to Martin Doerr? [09:09] <marbut> Mark: haven't done it yet. [09:10] <marbut> mickBass: MacKenzie has forwarded a set of webservices we can take advantage of, does it make sense to use them? [09:10] <marbut> AndyS: I think we need to get the local corpus up and running, then refine it. So the OCLC services come in at a later stage. [09:11] <marbut> mickBass: David, this might be a candidate for a plug-in available via HayStack [09:11] <marbut> David: Thats the kind of thing Nick M has been working on. [09:11] <marbut> mickBass: Perhaps we should forward MacKenzie's note to him? [09:12] <marbut> Andy, are we all on the same page about what we really want to happen here? [09:13] <marbut> AndyS: I thought MacKenzie / EM were referring to someone who had knowledge of VRA and Artstor. It would be useful to talk to someone [09:13] <marbut> with VRA experience, just to walk through our decisions [09:14] <marbut> I think both Mark and I are happy it can be done, but well enough for the demo [09:14] <marbut> mickBass: Maybe the followup here is do we have a sucinct list of the modelling problems? [09:18] <marbut> (Mark: Did anybody catch the name of David K's student who wrote the ontology browser?) [09:19] <marbut> mickBass: I'll let MacKenzie and Eric were are still looking forward to review activities around the modelling choices [09:22] <marbut> (Discussion on hiring / finances - omitted from public minutes) [09:22] <marbut> mickBass: History system handoff - still at the same place [09:25] <marbut> mickBass: David, Mark and Mick had a meeting to discuss possible work for Steve Garland. [09:25] <marbut> ACTION FOR MARK: Contact Steve Garland to discuss this [09:26] <marbut> David: Steve is working on a help system for Haystack, accessing Haystack over the web, and also building viewers for Artstor VRA, IMS and CIDOC data, and looking at how to do delivery via a web client [09:26] <marbut> mickBass: Questions and comments? [09:27] <marbut> mickBass: MacKenzie has written back saying we have got all the course data we are going to get, we need to find out [09:27] <marbut> from Eric latest status on Getty and CIDOC corpus [09:28] <marbut> One item I'd like to defer to on list discussion. Is there anything else we want to talk about on the call? [09:28] <marbut> kevins2: One problem with IMS is it doesn't really contain enough information to create a canonical URI. They come in multiple forms, and I'm [09:29] <marbut> getting annoyed with XSLT's ability to do string transformations, its no where near as good as PERL [09:29] <marbut> also I think we need to do lookups on a database, and doing calls out to Joseki, rather than trying to do it in XSLT. [09:30] <marbut> Although I have a fairly complete script for taking the XML and turning it via to XSLT into RDF, but you get lots of duplicated people. [09:30] <marbut> Creating canonical URIs for resources, but the problem is the entry in IMS is a path name not a URL, so there is a standard translation and whats [09:31] <marbut> in the file except sometimes its different. I know where the exceptions are, but you need to test and not sure if you can do this in XSLT. [09:31] <marbut> David: Nick M is working on this, I'd love to get him involved in this discussion. [09:31] <marbut> He's working on bibliography records. [09:32] <marbut> kevins2: There is one other thing I want to discuss, the IMS schema using RDF specifically asks for VCARD entities. [09:32] <marbut> AndyS: I think VCARD would be acceptable. What we are talking about is how to describe people by reference, so sometimes you can resolve that to [09:33] <marbut> a URI, sometimes its just anonymous. [09:33] <marbut> kevins2: It's supposed to be a complete VCard, but in practice its a full name field. [09:34] <marbut> mickBass: One of the issues seem to be 1) where is the most appropriate place to do this e.g. do it in XSLT, do it Perl, do it in RDF [09:35] <marbut> kevins2: So when we get it into RDF we will have to get rid of duplicate records [09:36] <marbut> mickBass: we do have some time to market pressure here. The other is contribution to the research questions here. [09:36] <marbut> E.g. I've got all this XML data, how do I make it available in RDF. So that would led to get it into the RDF domain. [09:37] <marbut> AndyS: once its in RDF, you could use the rules in Jena to do some processing. Generally we are trying to get the corpus established. [09:38] <mickBass> marbut: 1. Kevin, if you could send descriptions of what you've done, I may be able to make suggestions in XSLT domain [09:38] <mickBass> 2. Big problem working with internationalization [09:38] <mickBass> (this is an issue with ArtStor corpus) [09:39] <mickBass> ... with XSLT that is [09:39] <mickBass> 3. One approach is using RDDL, and specifying XSLT stylesheet in the RDDL doc [09:40] <mickBass> this may be more flexible because everything can happen at resolve time [09:40] <mickBass> rather than with perl which won't do this [09:40] <mickBass> 4. N3 seems more usable than RDF/XML serialization [09:41] <mickBass> kevins: but you can't output N3 via XSLT [09:41] <mickBass> mark: no I use XSLT, load to Jena, use Jena to produce n3 [09:44] <marbut> Mick, we need to save these minutes - anyone know how to make them publically available? [09:45] <mickBass> I do have a local log of IRC - I will post them to the list. [09:46] <mickBass> We didn't enroll RRSAgent, so we can't use the W3C infra this time 'round. ==== 970.898.6788 office 240.536.0765 fax 617.899.3938 mobile 303.494.5202 residence bass@alum.mit.edu mick_bass@hp.com ====
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