IRC Log, SIMILE Call 2003.10.23

Session Ident: #simile
[08:59] * Now talking in #simile
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[09:06] <marbut> mickBass: I want to take a poll of moving the plenary to the 17th and 18th of December
[09:07] <marbut> David: That looks pretty good. I may have an hour of conflict here or there.
[09:07] <marbut> Mark: I'd have a preference of the 17th and 18th.
[09:07] <marbut> AndyS: That's okay.
[09:07] <marbut> Rob: Those dates work for me.
[09:08] <marbut> mickBass: I'll wait to hear from Eric, but keep the 16th - 18th open until we can pick.
[09:08] <marbut> mickBass: I brainstormed a list of open actions from prior weeks.
[09:09] <marbut> One is to get a quick status on each of these items, the other is to see if there are other actions.
[09:09] <marbut> Mark, you were looking to hook-up to Martin Doerr?
[09:09] <marbut> Mark: haven't done it yet.
[09:10] <marbut> mickBass: MacKenzie has forwarded a set of webservices we can take advantage of, does it make sense to use them?
[09:10] <marbut> AndyS: I think we need to get the local corpus up and running, then refine it. So the OCLC services come in at a later stage.
[09:11] <marbut> mickBass: David, this might be a candidate for a plug-in available via HayStack
[09:11] <marbut> David: Thats the kind of thing Nick M has been working on.
[09:11] <marbut> mickBass: Perhaps we should forward MacKenzie's note to him?
[09:12] <marbut> Andy, are we all on the same page about what we really want to happen here?
[09:13] <marbut> AndyS: I thought MacKenzie / EM were referring to someone who had knowledge of VRA and Artstor. It would be useful to talk to someone 
[09:13] <marbut> with VRA experience, just to walk through our decisions
[09:14] <marbut> I think both Mark and I are happy it can be done, but well enough for the demo
[09:14] <marbut> mickBass: Maybe the followup here is do we have a sucinct list of the modelling problems?
[09:18] <marbut> (Mark: Did anybody catch the name of David K's student who wrote the ontology browser?)
[09:19] <marbut> mickBass: I'll let MacKenzie and Eric were are still looking forward to review activities around the modelling choices
[09:22] <marbut> (Discussion on hiring / finances - omitted from public minutes)
[09:22] <marbut> mickBass: History system handoff - still at the same place
[09:25] <marbut> mickBass: David, Mark and Mick had a meeting to discuss possible work for Steve Garland.
[09:25] <marbut> ACTION FOR MARK: Contact Steve Garland to discuss this
[09:26] <marbut> David: Steve is working on a help system for Haystack, accessing Haystack over the web, and also building viewers for Artstor VRA, IMS and CIDOC data, and looking at how to do delivery via a web client
[09:26] <marbut> mickBass: Questions and comments?
[09:27] <marbut> mickBass: MacKenzie has written back saying we have got all the course data we are going to get, we need to find out
[09:27] <marbut> from Eric latest status on Getty and CIDOC corpus
[09:28] <marbut> One item I'd like to defer to on list discussion. Is there anything else we want to talk about on the call?
[09:28] <marbut> kevins2: One problem with IMS is it doesn't really contain enough information to create a canonical URI. They come in multiple forms, and I'm
[09:29] <marbut> getting annoyed with XSLT's ability to do string transformations, its no where near as good as PERL
[09:29] <marbut> also I think we need to do lookups on a database, and doing calls out to Joseki, rather than trying to do it in XSLT.
[09:30] <marbut> Although I have a fairly complete script for taking the XML and turning it via to XSLT into RDF, but you get lots of duplicated people.
[09:30] <marbut> Creating canonical URIs for resources, but the problem is the entry in IMS is a path name not a URL, so there is a standard translation and whats
[09:31] <marbut> in the file except sometimes its different. I know where the exceptions are, but you need to test and not sure if you can do this in XSLT.
[09:31] <marbut> David: Nick M is working on this, I'd love to get him involved in this discussion.
[09:31] <marbut> He's working on bibliography records.
[09:32] <marbut> kevins2: There is one other thing I want to discuss, the IMS schema using RDF specifically asks for VCARD entities.
[09:32] <marbut> AndyS: I think VCARD would be acceptable. What we are talking about is how to describe people by reference, so sometimes you can resolve that to
[09:33] <marbut> a URI, sometimes its just anonymous. 
[09:33] <marbut> kevins2: It's supposed to be a complete VCard, but in practice its a full name field.
[09:34] <marbut> mickBass: One of the issues seem to be 1) where is the most appropriate place to do this e.g. do it in XSLT, do it Perl, do it in RDF
[09:35] <marbut> kevins2: So when we get it into RDF we will have to get rid of duplicate records
[09:36] <marbut> mickBass: we do have some time to market pressure here. The other is contribution to the research questions here.
[09:36] <marbut> E.g. I've got all this XML data, how do I make it available in RDF. So that would led to get it into the RDF domain.
[09:37] <marbut> AndyS: once its in RDF, you could use the rules in Jena to do some processing. Generally we are trying to get the corpus established. 
[09:38] <mickBass> marbut: 1. Kevin, if you could send descriptions of what you've done, I may be able to make suggestions in XSLT domain
[09:38] <mickBass> 2. Big problem working with internationalization
[09:38] <mickBass> (this is an issue with ArtStor corpus)
[09:39] <mickBass> ... with XSLT that is
[09:39] <mickBass> 3. One approach is using RDDL, and specifying XSLT stylesheet in the RDDL doc
[09:40] <mickBass> this may be more flexible because everything can happen at resolve time
[09:40] <mickBass> rather than with perl which won't do this
[09:40] <mickBass> 4. N3 seems more usable than RDF/XML serialization
[09:41] <mickBass> kevins: but you can't output N3 via XSLT
[09:41] <mickBass> mark: no I use XSLT, load to Jena, use Jena to produce n3
[09:44] <marbut> Mick, we need to save these minutes - anyone know how to make them publically available?
[09:45] <mickBass> I do have a local log of IRC - I will post them to the list.
[09:46] <mickBass> We didn't enroll RRSAgent, so we can't use the W3C infra this time 'round.


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