DRAFT - Morning 1 - F2F QA WG - TP - Mandelieu 2004

* DRAFT - Morning 1 - F2F QA WG - TP - Mandelieu 2004

Actions Items:
	AI-20040301-01: LH to fill the [QA Test Suite] Questionnaire

Scribe: Karl Dubost
Participants:
	LH Lofton Henderson
	MS Marc Skall
	PC Patrick Curran
	DHM Dominique Hazaël-Massieux
	LR Lynne Rosenthal
	KD Karl Dubost
	OT Olivier Théreaux

Observers:
	RA Richard Aughton, Amadeus
	CN Colas Nahaboo, Ilog
	MB Mary Brady, NIST

Round around the table to present participants
Presentation of the [QA WG] by [DHM]

* [QA Wiki]

[DHM] is presenting the [QA Wiki] and is making a demo of it, 
explaining the different syntax conventions, the social nature of it, 
the advantages which belong to wikis.

[DHM]: The wiki is trying to foster more participation of many people 
outside or inside of the W3C. It might be a good idea to use it for the 
[QA WG] too.
[PC]: If I don't want to use the special markup, can I? If I want to 
use HTML.
[DHM]: Not really. You have to use the specific simple markup.
[KD]: Don't be afraid to edit the pages. Don't be afraid to rewrite 
other people's content (you can still save the old page in another 
place).
[LH]: Looking at the topic of RFC Keywords, I was afraid to start 
another argument in another place about the use of it.
[DHM]: As long as you are not aggressive or anything, you can add 
things to the wiki. It's really meant to be a collaborative tool.
[LR]: I liked it because I didn't have to know anything to use it.

[MB] Can you address particular issues about Testing issues?
[DHM] It can be anything you want. So yes you can use it to solve some 
issues.
[CN]is proposing to the attendants to share his experience of wikis 
inside Ilog for 3 years as a Team tool.
[KD]is presenting as a tool to interact between Mailing-lists and 
wikis, like [Pompeurs ML] and [Pompeurs Wiki]
[PC][MB] We can announce it on our different places.


* in-reach/out-reach

An insight about in and out-reach topics in [W3C QA] is given by [OT]. 
[WASP] has been the main topic addressed for the last few months. A 
plan is made to revive the [public-evangelist] list.

[OT] has been quite dormant these past months, except for the [WASP] 
Project. They have a strong Web designers perspective. They ask a 
question and we are producing an article to help people to understand 
the topic on a very basic level. The articles have either a good 
reception in the community or sometimes a “Troll Fest”. [KD] has tried 
to revive the [public-evangelist].
[KD] is reading things on the Web and public-evangelist might be a good 
way to share it and so create discussions on the mailing-list
	* to inform people of the [public-evangelist] on what's happening on 
the Web
	* to inform people of the [QA WG] of concerns of people with regard to 
the specs.
(Moved discussion about wikis on the previous topic)

* WWW2004 Panel

A panel is organized for the WWW2004 conference on the interests of Web 
Standards.

[DHM] is presenting the panel. It will be a discussion about the good 
and bad side of standards or discussions. Something to say?
[MS] On the mailing list there was a discussion about making it 
controversial, and what were the strategies for that?
[LH] we are not in control on that panel. David Marston is the one who 
is managing the information.

* Workshop in NY.

The Workshop will not happen in May 2004 but the idea and the (virtual) 
organization are not abandoned for future happening.

[OT][KD] have tried to organize a workshop at the same time than the 
[WWW 2004] Conference. We didn't push further because of lack of time 
and lack of resources, but we didn't dump the idea. We are keeping the 
idea to organize this workshop, because the conference could be a very 
good opportunity to create proceedings. We will push further the idea 
to have a package ready to use.
[LR] It will be a good idea to not have only best practices but also 
worse practices.
[LH] When do we decide to organize it?
[OT] Not in May 2004 for sure, but maybe later on.

* Other IG topics.

[OT] We have reached a stabilized way of working. We have found a kind 
of equilibrium. We should maybe advertised it a bit more.
[LR] agrees.
[LH] What are the topics addressed by the IG.
[KD] It's not very visible outside, but we have a lot of liaisons work, 
and also help or answering to private mail questions.
[OT] It's not a strongly defined entity, but more small pieces 
interconnected. But we have things like the validators, and other 
topics are done by small Task Forces.

* Special topics about [Testing Practices] Questionnaire

[LH] Should we answer ourselves to the [Testing Practices] 
questionnaire?
[LR][DHM] Not necessary
[MS] agrees with [LH]

AI-20040301-01: LH to fill the [Testing Practices] Questionnaire


[QA Wiki] http://esw.w3.org/topic/QA
[QA WG] http://www.w3.org/QA
[WASP] http://webstandards.org/
[Pompeurs ML] http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/pompeurs/
[Pompeurs Wiki] http://www.publishtogether.com/pompeurs/
[public-evangelist] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-evangelist/
[WWW 2004] http://www2004.org/
[Testing Practices] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/qa-test/

[DHM] http://www.w3.org/People/Dom/
[KD] http://www.w3.org/People/karl
[OT] http://www.w3.org/People/olivier/
[CN] http://koala.ilog.fr/colas/
[LH] http://esw.w3.org/topic/LoftonHenderson
[LR] http://esw.w3.org/topic/LynneRosenthal
[MB]


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Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager
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