- From: Andrew Thackrah <andrew@opengroup.org>
- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:50:10 +0000
- To: www-qa-wg@w3.org
QA Working Group Teleconference Minutes [FINAL] Monday, January 27,2003 Scribe: Andrew Thackrah --- Attendees: (KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair) (PF) Peter Fawcett (RealNetworks) (DH) Dominique Hazaël-Massieux (W3C) (LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair) (DM) David Marston (SM) Sandra Martinez (NIST) (LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair) (MS) Mark Skall (NIST) (AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group) (OT) Olivier Thereaux (W3C) Regrets: (JR) JohnRobert Gardner (Sun) (DD) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon) Absent: (KG) Kirill Gavrylyuk (Microsoft) Summary of New Action Items: AI-2003-0127-1: LH to write up mark up needs for issue tracking of comment form. Due Wed 5th Feb AI-2003-0127-2: DH & LH to give OT a checklist table comment skeleton like those on review page. Due Wed 5 Feb AI-2003-0127-3: LH to produce list of specific topics for targetted comments . Just a protoype for WG input. Due Wed 5 Feb Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2003Jan/0143.html Previous Telcon Minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2003Jan/0172.html 1) Roll call 1600 UCT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2a) Last Call details ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PR entrance criteria for SoTD of GL docs [ LH explains that there are two interpretations of the PR entrance criteria: to have two WGs implement all of the spec. requirements or to require that each (priority 1) checkpoint is implemented by at least two WGs. The latter is easier to achieve. Points out that this is the approach taken by SVG ] LH - For current current GL rules - barrier is too high. The latter interpretation - cf SVG is a lower barrier. Should we use this? DH - So priority 1 checkpoints are part of entrance criteria - maybe targeting lower barrier is better to help guidelines be applied quickly. I don't know if all checkpoints are doable but at least Pri. 1 and probably Pri. 2. Since Pri3 are nice but not necessary then it shouldn't be a problem LH - I'm happy to go with Pri. 1 & Pri. 2 for now. Since this is only last call We can deal with Pri. 3 later [ LH to draft the OpsGL status section. Check AI for 8 Feb - this AI already exists so will roll this work into it rather than create new AI here ] - Targeted reviewers LH - At start of letter - global questions: Do we want to target legal process people or just informally ask them to comment? DH - makes sense to send a targetted review. I will send contact details for legal, comm and process. LH - Comm were interetstind in specGL, Process in OpsGL As for the other people on the list - do we want them to comment on all docs? Or are there others in the list who will have specific interests? LH - For the last 3 groups we can add after their name 'especially OpsGL' etc LR - Prior to sending are we going to have personal contact LH - No, this is standard procedure LH - We did say that we would send individual letters (14 of them). DH - we should send once to a list of 14 names + the three Legal, Comm & Process LH - after I list the 3 docs - there's a paragraph, boilerplate statement, is this ok? [ no objections to keeping it] LH - Should we link to almost ready docs, to give them a preview? DH - I guess it can be more confusing than helpful. Already published versions will give them an idea if they are interested. [ last paragraph to be struck] LH - When we ask them to commit - we promise them a review form. It's not finished yet - maybe show them a work-in-progess taster? [no objection to this - LH to add text about this] LH - should the targeted message be to chairs, team or both? DH - to chairs is enough [no objections to this] 2b.) Olivier's draft LC comment forms ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OT - Should we handle issues resulting on usual issues list or on a separate page? LR - I would rather have these issues tracked separately. OT - It will need some exra work to support this KD - would be nice to have a markup version - do you have an example? OT - I will send a pointer to qa-wg list. You can check his (?) version of the script LH - Should we use same markup as current issues list? I'm not entirely satisfied with current system. It's ok but I wouldn't chose it if I were, starting again. KD - Describe your needs - could be a kick start for Olivier and be useful throughout W3C ** AI: LH to write up mark up needs for issue tracking of comment form, due Wed 5th Feb OT - The form is almost done but we have to chose how to divide the doc. so that people can send a comment. Do we divide in sections like the doc? or in Guidelines and checkpoints? I prefer to divide by GL an CP. Pepole want to comment more on susbtantive rather than editorial points. LR - I agree. maybe take checklist table and add a comment LH - DH & I could give OT a skeleton like those on review page. OT can use this OT - sounds good, I would like by same date as markup (05-Feb-2003) ** AI: DH & LH to give OT a skeleton like those on review page. due Wed 5 Feb LH - Make a simple form by TOC or comments on intro without sorting by section? OT - If you're talking about form only 2 choices: 1)simplified form 2)pulldown menus with applicability field LH - I favour a separate form. This will lead to some discussion but probably not issues. We are going to last call with it as a working draft but it may become a note since there are no conformance requirements. [no objections to this approach] OT - A list of special points connected to targets. LH - So instead of specific topics like section 1.6 we'd say 'clarity, detail' etc ** AI: LH to produce list of specific topics for targetted comments . Just a protoype for WG input. due Wed 5 Feb 3) TTF ~~~~~~ [skipped as DD not present] 4) Tech Plenary per-WG EO plans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Thurs PM volunteers? LH - David has voluteered to visit Xquery/Xpath. DM - They will be mainly meeting Thursday/Friday LH - We may have a breakout session Thursday PM so other non-chair team memebers will have time to work e.g. on outreach - perhaps visit MMI? Anyone want to do this? [ poll of those present who are as yet unconfirmed... either no one can make or wants to do it] AT - not there, [KG - no ] DD - unlikely MS - I probably have a meeting then, SM too PF - prefer not to. LH - so outreach team is LH, DH, DM, KD & OT. We need to invite ourself to these WGs. anyone know a good approach on how to contact? DH - Don't make it too formal. LH - We should make it clear that when we say observe that we are doing it for our benefit (to learn from them) and not to judge them 6.) Wednesday plenary QA participation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OT - After the chairs meeting there is a tech plenary. We have a slot for horizontal activities. I'm not (yet) involved in organisation of this slot. One topic will certainly be the glossary. Maybe we will talk about QA a little. I doubt we will have chance to present a talk about QA though MS - who will be on panel? OT - I don't know. But will let you know when I find out 5) Karl's contribution about the "EO kit" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Ran out of time to discuss this ] KD - I would like people to send comments on my email DM - don't think I got it (the email) LH - it's reference [5] on the agenda KD - comments will be appreciated LH - we have 4 telcons before Boston. Next telcon we must take resolutions about last call. I propose that we try to re-start this KD - ok, I will send a reminder to the list to raise discussion LH - aim to decide this by next Monday AOB ~~~ [ None ] Adjourned at 1700 UCT
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