- From: Andreas Färber <andreas.faerber@web.de>
- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:18:56 +0200
- To: <www-p3p-policy@w3.org>
- Cc: "Ben Wright" <Ben_Wright@compuserve.com>
> I fear that the P3P protocol is too dangerous and incomplete for First of all, the P3P as such is neither "dangerous" nor a protocol at the current stage. It is an extension to the widely adopted HTT Protocol. If you think HTTP or TCP/IP is dangerous then help working on the next generation of those protocols. I agree that Compact Policies are too short to reflect all aspects of a full P3P policy. So if you are worried about Compact Policies, use full policies instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge IE6 would recognize that there is a P3P policy in effect for the URI when it finds a P3P header and would apply some of the rules that should apply to sites WITH a privacy policy. Only the specific settings (identifiable information vs. non-identifiable information) can't be taken into account when using this approach. I came upon this in the Beta when I did not yet have a Compact Policy. Maybe this has been changed in the release version. > Comments welcome. Your DSA token is the worst thing that has been posted to this list. It is technically wrong according to the Spec and morally in violation of privacy rights worldwide. If the United States is such a free country then why are you trying to prevent users from making a free decision about what information to pass on to someone else. Wasn't it the freedom and democracy of our nations that has been touched just last week and which in turn has been condemned by so many people around the globe? Neither Microsoft nor W3C forces anyone to write P3P policies. If one does write any because he/she is an honest person, then this way or that way he is subject to legal liability. You do not seem to be honest. You are proposing openly to make false statements about one's privacy policies in order to bypass the intended behavior of a P3P-compliant user agent, and you are trying to justify this with talk of legal liability. If you were truly concerned about legal liability, you would warn webmasters not to create P3P policy files or headers instead of making them issue false statements for which they will be liable! (Another indication for your true motives is your disability of giving answers to my previous reply.) And to answer your other post: You yourself are getting into a catch: By creating P3P files/headers you are following the rules of the Specification you don't want to have control over you. So if you do want the Specification not to have control over you or another corporation then SIMPLY DON'T IMPLEMENT IT! This is the only way to deny the Specification's legitimacy. Do you think a person that accepts the technical rules of HTTP or FTP is a fool because it transports data for which he/she can be liable? Have you ever thought of IE6's behavior not being the end result of P3P but only the beginning of a process towards more rights for users? P3P is not only about cookies as in IE. Other user agents might not even disclose their names. And compare IE6's behavior to that of a) the first Internet browsers (text-based, no cookies at all) and of b) almost every browser on the market: There is no guarantee that cookies are sent. Cookies are not Part of the HTML Specification. All Internet browsers I have used gave me the opportunity of either blocking all cookies or letting me decide whether to accept the cookie or not. So from this point of view IE6's behavior is not that revolutionary at all, again not forcing you into any *additional* legal liability. As a webmaster one always has to keep in mind that some user agents won't understand Cookie-related HTTP extensions or simply won't do what one would expect them to do - in this case saving the Cookie and sending it the next time. Therefore, anyone who does rely in any way on a particular non-standard feature of a networking protocol is a fool. I am sure that HTTP experts would agree with me on this. Andreas
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