Minutes: MathML Full Meeting 7 November, 2024

 Attendees:

   - Deyan Ginev
   - Neil Soiffer
   - Bruce Miller
   - Paul Libbrecht
   - David Carlisle
   - Moritz Schubotz
   - Paul Libbrecht
   - Murray Sargent
   - Bert Bos

<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0-regrets>
Regrets

   - Louis Maher
   - Patrick Ion

Agenda
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0-1-announcements-updates-progress-reports>1.
Announcements/Updates/Progress reports

DC: I updated the intent examples
<https://w3c.github.io/mathml-docs/intent-examples/> to use the new MathCAT
version Neil provides. It is mostly working but there are a few bugs. I
don't know if they are mine or Neil's.

NS: I'll look at them and fix the problems.
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0-2-mathml-4-issues->2.
MathML 4 issues:New intent spec language
<https://w3c.github.io/mathml/#mixing_intent_dictionaries>

Hopefully a little more discussion on the intent wording in the draft
https://github.com/w3c/mathml/pull/515

DG: I want to make it clear in 5.4 that AT is free to *not* use the exact
matching of normalized name, the fixity property, and the arity.

DC: The earlier definition says that AT is free to do what it wants. If it
matches "power" with 3 arguments or 5 arguments and does some speech,
that's fine. So its notion of airity for all the concepts might be "I
support all airities". It could also be "I support all names".

NS: Perhaps we need a reminder in 5.4 about what the definition is in 5.2?

Action: PL and DG to come up with new PR about text in 5.4. The existing PR
will be closed.
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0--a-href-https-github-com-w3c-mathml-issues-441-title-need-spec-update-volunteers-441-intent-and-style-mathcolor-css-others-a->441:
Intent and style (mathcolor, CSS, others?)
<https://github.com/w3c/mathml/issues/441>

General discussion of how CSS and attributes such as MathColor should be
conveyed to AT. One idea is to use intent.

Action: DG to add an example showing intent and color. We will then decide
whether it merits a subsection or to just leave it as an example.
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0--a-href-https-github-com-w3c-mathml-issues-388-338-scriptlevel-and-displaystyle-a->#338:
scriptlevel and displaystyle <https://github.com/w3c/mathml/issues/388>
Accidentally skipped this one.
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0--a-href-https-github-com-w3c-mathml-issues-120-120-remove-deprecate-simplify-the-ms-element-a->#120:
Remove/deprecate/simplify the ms element
<https://github.com/w3c/mathml/issues/120>

ms is in core, but is different in that the quotes have to be in the text.
There is a polyfill that adds the quotes, but you have the problem of
knowing whether it is written for core (which includes the quotes) or not.

DC: removing it from core because then at least the polyfill makes sense.

DG: I agree.

BM: there are CSS rules listed in the core spec. Why can't they be added to
the user agent style?

Group consensus is the best resolution that the rules should be added to
the user agent style sheet and ms kept in Core.

Action: DC to create a core issue to add the rules to the user agent style
sheet.
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=2024.9.0-6#cp-md-0--a-href-https-github-com-w3c-mathml-issues-361-361-structuring-common-attributes-a->#361:
structuring common attributes <https://github.com/w3c/mathml/issues/361>

DC: I think it is done. I will read through it and make sure it is done. I
will close it if it is done.