Re: Deyan's list of concept names

Deyan,

My message was just underscoring what you said initially -- these lists
need curating. permittivity-of-vacuum indeed does show up in physics and
some K12 students will see that notation. But almost all students have to
learn about mean, median, and mode, often as early as 5th or 6th grade, and
they will continue to see them mentioned in various STEM classes as they
move through school. So it seems very strange that GPT picked
permittivity-of-vacuum for the list but not mean. But I'm sure people can
find much stranger things that GPT does :-)

     Neil


On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 3:13 PM Paul Libbrecht <paul@hoplahup.net> wrote:

> Hello Deyan and all,
>
> I’m a bit puzzled.
> “Electrical Engineering” is not a specialty I’d expect within K12. You
> become electrical engineering after choosing after k12. Am I wrong?
> So, the differentiatiation between i and j is not k12.
>
> 12th year is kind of an advanced period anyways. We did have complex
> numbers and an amount of other advanced topics such as linear algebra or
> differential geometry but we did not have the named electrostatic
> constants.  It appears that almost all differential geometry we had is no
> more in normal standards but probability and statistics now are (even going
> as low as 4th grades, 10y old!).
>
> It’ll be impossible to not be partial as an expert. I think.
> And we should accept this.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 2 Jul 2023, at 19:06, Deyan Ginev wrote:
>
> > Btw, in case anyone is wondering, the permittivity-of-vacuum[1] and
> permeability-of-vacuum[2] concepts are quickly detected in grade 12 physics
> education in India, via a classic search that appends "khan academy" to
> them. Which is just my expedient heuristic to check if something is
> ubiquitous in educational materials. So while it is quite hard to
> meaningfully compare if they are more or less common than "mean" and
> "median" (and to whom? an electrical engineer may have a different answer),
> at least they fit the K-12 designation. Another point is that since they
> have natural self-voicing speech, it is possible they fit better as
> ":property" annotations. But I think that is still an open question - they
> should likely get the same treatment that the imaginary-unit (i vs j) would
> get, whichever direction we decide that.
> >
> > [1]
> https://www.khanacademy.org/science/in-in-class-12th-physics-india/in-in-electrostatic-potential-and-capacitance/x51bd77206da864f3:capacitance-parallel-plate-capacitors/a/capacitors-article
> >
> > [2]
> https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/magnetic-forces-and-magnetic-fields/magnetic-field-current-carrying-wire/a/what-are-magnetic-fields
>