- From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 14:52:50 -0700
- To: "www-math@w3.org" <www-math@w3.org>
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At the meeting today, Deyan brought up that it is not possible to clearly write about potential solutions for searching math (something in our charter) when we haven't defined what we mean by 'math search'. We agreed that people would post opinions and/or links to papers that reflect their opinions.To start things off, here's my take.... I think the most common math search is to search for some topic to learn about that topic. For example, someone might search for geometric progressions, Fibonacci numbers, or Bessel functions of the second kind. All of these types of searches seem well handled today because the text in documents that discuss them mention those words. The second kind of search is where I have an expression or equation and I want to know something about it. For example suppose I am reading something and it has the expression [image: image.png] Maybe some in this group recognize this, but I don't. I think this is where I would want to be able to do a search where I paste this in so I get results that help me to understand it, its properties, and its relationship to various areas. For this particular expression, I doubt many people would write it differently other than maybe using a different variable of integration or possibly using something other than 'x' (unlikely). However, in other searches, there are many equivalent expressions that might reverse the order of a sum or distribute a factor into a term. I believe dealing with all these issues (and many others) have been addressed in various research papers and specialized mathematical search engines. A quick search turns up the following math search engines: 1. wolframalpha.com 2. searchonmath.com 3. https://approach0.xyz/search/ 4. https://www.google.com/imghp (google image search) I would not normally classify Wolfram Alpha as a search engine, but it was the first hit on google for "math search engine". Also, I believe it is used by bing. Of these, only '3' returned a result that came back with the content related to the topic I grabbed the expression from. So clearly work remains to be done on math search engines. On the other hand, I'm not sure what there is for the WG to do. The input to these systems (TeX, calculator math, images) can all be derived from MathML (presentation or content). Interestingly, I tried using the TeX for this as part of a google search -- nothing very close on the first page. I also tried bing -- the first hit was close and the second hit was on topic. From this very limited experiment, my take is that the WG doesn't need to work on augmenting MathML for search (but search engines themselves need improvements). I'll leave it to those who have actually worked on search to contradict me and provide examples where augmenting presentation MathML would result in better search in the real world. Neil <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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