[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2024-08-08

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                              – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

08 August 2024

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/bc275b6e-6c38-4ed5-b324-6606a0c6cca7/20240808T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Bert, Fuqiao, Richard

    Regrets
           JcK

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           Bert

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]Pending Issue Review
     6. [9]Programmatically determine the language of text
        (WCAG2ICT)
     7. [10]AOB?

Meeting minutes

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    <addison> #90

    <gb> [11]Action 90 steal some of henri's text from
    scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due
    2024-04-18

      [11] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90

    <addison> #33

    <gb> [12]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
    for further review (on aphillips)

      [12] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33

    addison: Probably an agenda item next week.

    <addison> #16

    <gb> [13]Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for
    i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips) due 1 Jan 2024

      [13] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16

    <addison> #8

    <gb> [14]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
    formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8

    <addison> #7

    <gb> [15]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
    comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
    r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7

    <addison> #4

    <gb> [16]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
    character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips,
    r12a) due 27 Jul 2023

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4

   Info Share

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [17]https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1

      [17] https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1

    xfq: I raised an issue on WCAG2 and got a reply.

    addison: Atsushi said he had no issues on Incremental Font
    Transfer, but maybe he had one after all.
    … I'll make it a pending issue to discuss next week.

   Pending Issue Review

    <addison> [18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending

      [18] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:pending

    addison: Moving all my Infra issues to Infra land. Otherwise
    nothing stands out.

    <addison> [19]i18n-activity#1870

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1870

    <gb> [20]Issue 1870 [css-content] Styling applied to a quoted
    element should not affect the quotation marks (by w3cbot)
    [pending] [s:css-content] [needs-resolution] [wg:css]

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1870

    addison: Not sure about #1870.

    <gb> Issue 1870 not found

    <addison> [21]w3c/csswg-drafts#10468

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10468

    <gb> [22]Issue 10468 [css-content] Styling applied to a quoted
    element should not affect the quotation marks (by r12a)
    [css-content-3] [i18n-needs-resolution]

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10468

    r12a: Related to the long-running discussion on quotes. But not
    quite the same.

    addison: I think we'll agree. I'll remove "pending".

    r12a: It needs some other labels. Adding them now.

   Programmatically determine the language of text (WCAG2ICT)

    <xfq> [23]w3c/wcag2ict#463

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/463

    <gb> [24]Issue 463 Programmatically determine the language of
    text (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution]

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/463

    xfq: We discussed this before. I'm asking them what they are
    trying to accomplish.
    … Is it heuristic determination of language? What about the
    exception list?
    … It is about whether the assistive tech can determine the
    language, from markup or any other means.
    … If it can, the success criteria succeed.
    … They didn't answer why the exception list.

    addison: the explanation from Gregg is clearer than the text in
    the spec.
    … But the exception list is still there.

    xfq: I can ask them about the list of exceptions.
    … Should we ask them to add a note to explain about what
    "programmatically determined" is? They have a definition, but
    maybe it is not clear enough.
    … Another option is to switch to a different term.

    addison: I'd argue with their exception list.
    … Assume you have a paragraph marked as French and a proper
    name inside it. That proper name is still in French.

    <xfq> [25]https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/

      [25] https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/

    xfq: The text is from WCAG, with "non-web document" replacing
    "content" there.

    addison: APIs can provide language metadata.

    xfq: One thing we can do is ask about the list of exceptions.

    addison: Maybe we discussed this in the past already. Would
    need to look at old issues.

    <xfq> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Awcag+language+

      [26] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+label:s:wcag+language+

    <xfq> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Awcag

      [27] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+label:s:wcag

    xfq: ^ this is the list of issues on GitHub, but maybe it was
    before we used GitHub.

    addison: Maybe they should add something to the note avout what
    is going on, in particular the list of exceptions.

    <r12a> [28]w3c/i18n-activity#1882

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1882

    <gb> [29]Issue 1882 Programmatically determine the language of
    text (by xfq) [needs-resolution] [t:lang_strings] [wg:ag]
    [s:wcag2ict]

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1882

    xfq: I'll add a comment.

   AOB?

    Bert: regrets for next week

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