- From: Fuqiao Xue <xfq@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:38:52 +0800
- To: www-international@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2024/07/18-i18n-minutes.html text version: – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 18 July 2024 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b40424a9-1664-4b61-965c-27712bb6a648/20240718T150000/ [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/07/18-i18n-irc Attendees Present Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard Regrets - Chair Addison Phillips Scribe Bert Contents 1. [4]Agenda Review 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]RADAR Review 5. [8]Pending Issue Review 6. [9]More FPWDs in the pipeline 7. [10]String-Meta PR 8. [11]String-Meta PR 9. [12]PR Review 10. [13]AOB? 11. [14]Summary of action items 12. [15]Summary of resolutions Meeting minutes Agenda Review Action Items <addison> #111 <gb> [16]Action 111 publish qa-direction-native to website after addison finishes the tweak (on xfq) due 2024-07-18 [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/111 <addison> close #111 <gb> Closed [17]issue #111 [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/111 <addison> #106 <gb> [18]Action 106 write to ietf group about rfc9457 (on aphillips) due 2024-06-20 [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106 <addison> #93 <gb> [19]Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25 [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 <addison> #90 <gb> [20]Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 <addison> #89 <gb> [21]Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 <addison> #79 <gb> [22]Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 <addison> #78 <gb> [23]Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 <addison> #33 <gb> [24]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 <addison> #8 <gb> [25]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 <addison> #7 <gb> [26]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 <addison> #4 <gb> [27]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 Info Share RADAR Review <addison> [28]https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 [28] https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 Pending Issue Review <addison> #1882 <gb> Issue 1882 not found <addison> [29]i18n-activity#1882 [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1882 <gb> [30]Issue 1882 Programmatically determine language of proper names and technical terms (by xfq) [pending] [t:lang_strings] [wg:ag] [s:wcag2ict] [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1882 <xfq> [31]https://www.w3.org/TR/ wcag2ict-22/#applying-sc-3-1-2-language-of-parts-to-non-web-doc uments-and-software [31] https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict-22/#applying-sc-3-1-2-language-of-parts-to-non-web-documents-and-software xfq: Not sure why they mention proper names and technical terms as exceptions that can not be in a determined language addison: I thought of heuristic detection of language. Names makes such detections less accurate. … Language detection has gotten better, with machine learning. … If you want people's names pronounced correctly, you should wrap them in metadata. xfq: Their definition seems quoted from WCAG 2, which is a Rec. But we can file an issue. … They may be talking more about language declaration than about detection. addison: But you can mark names with a language, too. r12a: I think it is about getting the language somehow from the context. Getting it from markup seems perfectly well determined. … I think it is about ways the browser can find out the language. addison: Still the question is why that text is in the spec. r12a: They may be trying to make an allowance for language being determined in other ways than from markup. <xfq> [32]https://www.boia.org/blog/ what-programmatically-determined-means-for-accessibility [32] https://www.boia.org/blog/what-programmatically-determined-means-for-accessibility addison: Maybe we should ask them what they want to accomplish, if the text means what we think it does, and what the list of exceptions is doing. xfq: I'll ask what the goal of the paragraph is and what the "programmatically determined" phrase means. addison: And ask why they think names need to be an exception More FPWDs in the pipeline <r12a> ethi-lreq ED <r12a> geor-lreq ED <r12a> grek-lreq ED <r12a> cyrl-lreq ED <r12a> cyrl-gap ED <r12a> guru-lreq ED <r12a> taml-lreq ED <r12a> jpan-lreq ED <r12a> kore-lreq ED <r12a> mong-lreq ED <r12a> tibt-lreq ED r12a: Looking to publish these ^^. … There will be more drafts, but this is today's list. <addison> PROPOSED: publish the above 11 script resources documents as FPWD? r12a: The names are now "XXX script resources". <addison> +1 <atsushi> +1 +1 <xfq> +1 <r12a> +1 <JcK> +1 <Bert> +1 RESOLUTION: publish 11 script resources documents ("lreq") as FPWD r12a: We're about to publish drafts for cyrillic for the first time. xfq: We don't have requirements docs for cyrillic, do we? String-Meta PR r12a: Nor for a number of others. <addison> [33]https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/ string-meta/pull/87.html#bp-consumers [33] https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/string-meta/pull/87.html#bp-consumers r12a: For Atsushi: I raised an issue on jlreq. atsushi: Yes, I found the link and will bring to meeting next week. r12a: The issue is about pointing out to the jl TF that these drafts are being made. atsushi: @@ "jlreq-d" document. r12a: Just consider that the final jlreq-d might benefit from having the same structure as the others, That's what the issue is about. … I'm restructering elreq as well. atsushi: Let me think about it. r12a: It doesn't make a difference if I publish jlreq docs on Tuesday or later. ACTION: atsushi: investigate changes to jlreq due to publication of jpan-lreq <gb> Created [34]action #112 [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/112 String-Meta PR <addison> [35]https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/ string-meta/pull/87.html#bp-consumers [35] https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/string-meta/pull/87.html#bp-consumers <addison> [36]w3c/string-meta#87 [36] https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/87 <gb> [37]Pull Request 87 Create best practices for consumers (by aphillips) [37] https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/87 addison: I made the changes. Fuqiao published the article it refers to. … Can I merge this? We can always change more. xfq: You have updated example 8? addison: Yes, removed the red box. And notation moved up. … Added a HR (actually 3 stars) as separator. … OK, merged. … Probably need to update specdev next, to match. PR Review <addison> [38]w3c/i18n-drafts#581 [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/581 <gb> [39]Pull Request 581 Initial work on language-negotiation materials (by aphillips) [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/581 addison: Do we want more iteration on this ^^ ? xfq: It is clearer than before. … Can probably convert it to HTML., if we have no major comments on it. <r12a> [40]https://www.w3.org/International/ articlelist#navigating [40] https://www.w3.org/International/articlelist#navigating r12a: HAven't had time to read it, but main concern is that it plays well with our other material, see ^^, and point to it. … There is also already articles about language negotiation ther, e.g. … Don't get people confused. <r12a> Guiding users to translated pages <r12a> Using <select> to Link to Localized Content <r12a> Indicating the language of a link destination <r12a> When to use language negotiation <r12a> Apache MultiViews language negotiation set up <r12a> Setting language preferences in a browser <r12a> Accept-Language used for locale setting JcK: I'm adding my comments on GitHub. … A little bit concerned about the comment on privacy vs our recommendations addison: The doc doesn't talk about privacy at the moment. … We should mention it. JcK: Some users will be sensitive to the information being collected. xfq: We have an article about locale settings. We could mention privacy there too. … See the last article on Richard's list above. JcK: In general there is personalization of web pages on one hand and privacy on the other, not just in case of i18n. addison: I'll watch for comments for another week and make proposals for how to handle existing comments. r12a: Tutorials in general link to articles. You can write "go and see this article". addison: Unicode will have Unicode Technical Workshop 2. … A bit like a Unicode Conference, but different. … I proposed a topic. … I'm looking for coauthors, contributors. <addison> [41]https://github.com/unicode-org/message-format-wg/ blob/main/exploration/bidi-usability.md [41] https://github.com/unicode-org/message-format-wg/blob/main/exploration/bidi-usability.md AOB? addison: Anything else? <xfq> [42]w3c/string-meta#4 [42] https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/issues/4 <gb> [43]Issue 4 TAG discussion pointer (by r12a) [43] https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/issues/4 xfq: This string meta issue ^^ is a pointer to a TAG discussionm which is closed. … We might want to close our issue, too. r12a: Sounds good. addison: Do want another TAG review of string meta? We changed direction somewhat since we last told them what we wanted to do. xfq: We converted some text from the explainer to the main document. Do we want them to review the main document? addison: It seems like we should get a horizontal review. xfq: Yes, could be useful. addison: I'll close this issue and make one for tracking review. JcK: Probable regrets for next week. Summary of action items 1. [44]atsushi: investigate changes to jlreq due to publication of jpan-lreq Summary of resolutions 1. [45]publish 11 script resources documents ("lreq") as FPWD
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