- From: Fuqiao Xue <xfq@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 11:35:38 +0800
- To: www-international@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2024/02/22-i18n-minutes.html
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– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
22 February 2024
[2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.
[2]
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240222T150000/
[3] https://www.w3.org/2024/02/22-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, Richard
Regrets
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Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
xfq
Contents
1. [4]Agenda Review
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]RADAR Review
6. [9]Pending Issue Review
7. [10]String-Meta and the problem of 'paragraph direction'
8. [11]Follow up on I18N + CSS Call
9. [12]IDN in Specdev
10. [13]Prepare for WHATWG Call
11. [14]AOB?
12. [15]Summary of action items
Meeting minutes
<gb> [16]Action 73 make a list of invisible characters to
support html 5121 discussion (on r12a) due 2024-02-22
[16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
Agenda Review
<gb> [17]Action 73 make a list of invisible characters to
support html 5121 discussion (on r12a) due 2024-02-22
[17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
Action Items
<gb> Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #74, #73, #72, #68,
#66, #64, #53, #43, #35, #33, #18, #16, #12, #11, #8, #7, #4
<addison> #73
<addison> close #73
<gb> Closed [18]issue #73
[18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
<addison> #72
<gb> [19]Action 72 update specdev to match string-meta with
string/block direction as appropriate (on aphillips) due
2024-02-22
[19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/72
r12a: I wonder whether we should put the information in #73
somewhere else
addison: why don't we discuss with the WHATWG
… depending on what the result is, we can put it somewhere
<addison> #66
<gb> [20]Action 66 fix base direction vs. paragraph direction
in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-01-18
[20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/66
<addison> #64
<gb> [21]Action 64 Make list of HTML issues for February 22
call with WHATWG (on aphillips, xfq)
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/64
<addison> close #64
<gb> Closed [22]issue #64
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/64
<addison> #43
<gb> [23]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis
for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due
2023-09-18
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43
<addison> #33
<gb> [24]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
for further review (on aphillips)
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33
<addison> #12
<gb> [25]Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues
raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12
<addison> #8
<gb> [26]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8
<addison> #7
<gb> [27]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7
<addison> #4
<gb> [28]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due
27 Jul 2023
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4
Info Share
Bert: the MessageFormat presentation was about what I expected
… it was interesting
RADAR Review
<addison> [29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
Bert: WebNN and MathML not finished
addison: I have ARIA 1.3
RADAR Review
addison: I would appreciate any other pairs of eyes
Pending Issue Review
<gb> [30]CLOSED Action 73 make a list of invisible characters
to support html 5121 discussion (on r12a) due 2024-02-22
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
String-Meta and the problem of 'paragraph direction'
addison: last week we discussed the term 'paragraph direction'
… we discussed replacing that with 'block direction' or 'string
direction' as a term
… our glossary definition comes from Unicode
… so it's a Unicode term
… should we create new competing but better terminology?
r12a: I think we could say this is known as paragraph direction
addison: I can put 'block direction' or 'string direction' in
our glossary and say 'see paragraph direction'
… with our explanation of what the term means above that
r12a: I still think 'paragraph direction' is not clear enough
addison: I agree
… I'll working on doing it that way
… any objections to that?
Follow up on I18N + CSS Call
<addison> [31]https://www.w3.org/2024/02/20-i18n-minutes.html
[31] https://www.w3.org/2024/02/20-i18n-minutes.html
IDN in Specdev
<addison> xfq: since we have some specs like rdf that refers to
punycode
<addison> ... wonder if it is useful to add best practices
related to idns
<addison> ... opinions?
<addison> ... is it useful and if so what to add and where?
[32]w3c/bp-i18n-specdev#119
[32] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/issues/119
<gb> [33]Issue 119 Best practice related to IDNs (by xfq)
[enhancement]
[33] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/issues/119
<addison> [34]https://www.w3.org/TR/
international-specs/#resid_misc
[34] https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/#resid_misc
addison: I think we have something in specdev today
… see ^
… maybe that needs a little attention
ACTION: xfq: work on developing new specdev material about
IDNs/domain names/etc.
<gb> Created [35]action #75
[35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/75
Prepare for WHATWG Call
addison: I'll incorporate the discussion of invisible
characters
<addison> * Harmonization/cooperation between Infra and
I18N-Glossary * Input type=email (#4562 + PR #5799) *
Additional named entities (#5121)
<gb> Issue 4562 not found
<gb> Issue 5121 not found
<gb> Issue 5799 not found
addison: I propose that we discuss 3 topics
… see ^
<addison> [36]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AAgenda%2BI18N%2BWHATWG
[36]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:Agenda+I18N+WHATWG
addison: and if we have time, we can go on to time-related
issues and several input type=date/time issues
<addison> [37]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Awhatwg
[37]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:whatwg
r12a: I think we need to change the order of these things
… because the harmonization issue is not too long
<r12a> [38]w3c/i18n-actions#73
[38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
<gb> [39]CLOSED Action 73 make a list of invisible characters
to support html 5121 discussion (on r12a) due 2024-02-22
[39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
r12a: Input type=email is essentially a very long discussion
… and the additional named entities will probably be quite
short
… it took a little while to figure out how to get a list of
invisible characters
… I trimmed out some obvious things like PUA characters
… and some characters you don't really want to create entities
for them
… and I created a priority items list
… these are the things I'd really like to have if nothing else
Bert: one thing I often use is the variation selector for the
colour of emojis
… VS16 (U+FE0F) for emoji with color or VS15 (U+FE0E) for
monochrome
addison: what else do we want to say about this list?
addison: I suspect any of these conversations could be short
… I'm hopeful John can join us
… if you can't type some emails this makes this element less
useful
<xfq> +1
addison: the other thing is infra vs glossary
… I made an assertion in our issue that there are places where
people want to use terminology and don't want to reference
Infra
… like RDF
… whereas the folks we're talking to say everyone should just
use Infra
… we have a lot of terminology that people needed to use that
doesn't belong to Infra
r12a: there's also a qualitative difference
… we sometimes have additional examples or explanations
addison: we do have definitions in common
… we should have some process of ensuring that we don't
conflict each other
… and we want to avoid situations where we export a term that
is in Infra
<gb> [40]CLOSED Action 73 make a list of invisible characters
to support html 5121 discussion (on r12a) due 2024-02-22
[40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/73
AOB?
Summary of action items
1. [41]xfq: work on developing new specdev material about
IDNs/domain names/etc.
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