[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2024-02-01

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                              – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

01 February 2024

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240201T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/02/01-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard

    Regrets
           -

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           atsushi

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]RADAR Review
     6. [9]Pending Issue Review
     7. [10]WG labels
     8. [11][baggage] Keys don't permit non-ASCII
     9. [12]String-Meta paragraph direction vs. base direction
    10. [13]Working With Timezones

Meeting minutes

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    <addison> #70

    <gb> [14]Action 70 Create pull request for autocap issue (on
    aphillips)

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/70

    <addison> #68

    <gb> [15]Action 68 follow up with florian about testing with
    kindle (on aphillips) due 2024-01-25

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/68

    addison: PR to HTML, not done yet

    <addison> #66

    <gb> [16]Action 66 fix base direction vs. paragraph direction
    in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-01-18

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/66

    addison: PR exist, wanted to talk about what direction to go

    <addison> #65

    <gb> [17]Action 65 contact Daniel and check the Ethiopic word
    boundary situation (on r12a) due 2023-12-26

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65

    <addison> close #65

    <gb> Closed [18]action #65

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65

    r12a: did that, continue conversation

    <addison> #64

    <gb> [19]Action 64 Make list of HTML issues for February 22
    call with WHATWG (on aphillips, xfq)

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/64

    addison: continue to work on this

    <addison> #53

    <gb> [20]Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want
    the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on
    frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53

    <addison> #43

    <gb> [21]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis
    for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due
    2023-09-18

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43

    <addison> #33

    <gb> [22]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
    for further review (on aphillips)

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33

    <addison> #12

    <gb> [23]Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues
    raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12

    <addison> #8

    <gb> [24]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
    formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8

    <addison> #7

    <gb> [25]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
    comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
    r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7

    <addison> #4

    <gb> [26]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
    character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due
    27 Jul 2023

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4

   Info Share

    addison: 1. message format open house, 20 Feb
    … 2. contacted by Igalia, on proposal for personalization for
    i18n

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    addison: two new items

    bert: I will take WebNN

    addison: bitstring status list, some more pending issues
    … but almost bottom of the document

   RADAR Review

   Pending Issue Review

    <addison> [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending

      [28] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:pending

    addison: #1823, comment on buggage, marked as tracker, will
    give a PR

    <gb> [29]Issue 1823 [not found]

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1823

    addison: 1821 is bitstring-status one, and would like to raise

    <addison> [30]i18n-activity#1821

      [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1821

    <gb> [31]Issue 1821 `credentialSubject.statusMessage`
    localizable (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution]
    [t:lang_negotiation] [t:lang_declaration] [t:loc_localization]
    [s:vc-bitstring-status-list]

   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1821

    +1

    <xfq> +1

    <addison> [32]w3c/i18n-activity#1820

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1820

    <gb> [33]Issue 1820 `statusPurpose` type `message` unclear (by
    aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution]
    [s:vc-bitstring-status-list]

      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1820

    addison: will submit this

    addison: 1820 is on the same spec

    <xfq> +1

    +1

    <addison> [34]i18n-activity#1819

      [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1819

    <gb> [35]Issue 1819 Should dir=auto with no strong characters
    inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by w3cbot)
    [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq]
    [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG]

      [35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1819

    addison: 1819 is HTML one, agenda+ for WHATWG call items

    <addison> [36]html#10097

      [36] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/10097

    <gb> [37]Issue 10097 [not found]

      [37] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/10097

    <addison> [38]whatwg/html#10097

      [38] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097

    <gb> [39]Issue 10097 Should dir=auto with no strong characters
    inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by dbaron)
    [i18n-tracker] [i18n-alreq] [i18n-hlreq]

      [39] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097

    addison: spec have changed to say with strong character, but it
    breaks something
    … reverting could give more control to content authors

    r12a: in my comment, complecated issue
    … don't know answer, but providing information

    addison: my concern is content/context dependent of this issue

    addison: need to raise into needs-resolution? or keep?
    … agenda for later this month, and have some time for research

    <addison> [40]i18n-activity#1818

      [40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1818

    <gb> [41]Issue 1818 Internationalization Checklist (by w3cbot)
    [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:webnn] [self_review]

      [41] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1818

    <addison> [42]i18n-activity#1816

      [42] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1816

    <gb> [43]Issue 1816 [css-text-4] It should be possible to
    remove spaces while using text-autospace:no-autospace (by
    w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:css-text] [spec-type-issue]
    [jlreq] [clreq]

      [43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1816

    <addison> [44]i18n-activity#1815

      [44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815

    <gb> [45]Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra
    harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG]
    [s:infra]

      [45] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815

    addison: 1816 is CSS, and seems as regular one

    r12a: might want to raise to needs-resolution for 1816

    r12a: consider a case that with spaces inserted and without
    spaces inserted within one document, one could want to remove
    all spaces while no-autospace specified

    addison: seems resonable

    <addison> [46]i18n-activity#1815

      [46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815

    <addison> [47]i18n-activity#1815

      [47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815

    addison [48]w3c/i18n-activity#1815 is between i18n-glossary and
    infra
    … one case to be used is some spec does not intend to use infra

      [48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815

    <gb> [49]Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra
    harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG]
    [s:infra]

      [49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815

    xfq: good if we can have harmonization

    <addison> [50]w3c/i18n-activity#1368

      [50] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1368

    <gb> [51]Issue 1368 Consider fully supporting RTL and Bidi URLs
    (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:urlpattern]
    [t:resid_misc]

      [51] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1368

    xfq: this has moved from WICG to WHATWG

   WG labels

    r12a: spoken with PLH on labels in i18n tracking repository

    <xfq> Background: [52]whatwg/sg#215

      [52] https://github.com/whatwg/sg/issues/215

    <gb> [53]CLOSED Issue 215 New standard: URLPattern (by
    sisidovski)

      [53] https://github.com/whatwg/sg/issues/215

   [baggage] Keys don't permit non-ASCII

    <addison> [54]w3c/baggage#99 (comment)

      [54] 
https://github.com/w3c/baggage/issues/99#issuecomment-1917634255

    <gb> [55]Issue 99 Keys don't permit non-ASCII? (by aphillips)
    [i18n-needs-resolution]

      [55] https://github.com/w3c/baggage/issues/99

    addison: long ago, we had this one
    … asked them several times to support UTF-8
    … reply comes at github issue
    … they don't want change.
    … move forward without change, or keep pushing?

    xfq: would want to add note, even if they really don't want to
    change

    addison: see no technical reason for non-changing

    addison: three possibility, accept argument, don't accept and
    throw to transition, not accept argument but not to stop
    transition

    xfq: how about pushing back without stopping transition?

    addison: if we want more discussion, happy to arrange call...

   String-Meta paragraph direction vs. base direction

    addison: will write to issue

    <addison> [56]w3c/string-meta#84

      [56] https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/84

    addison: a PR opened, 84

    addison: we refer 'base direction' for most of places.
    string-meta has explicit term 'paragraph direction'
    … we've created this term, to distinguish string and exteria
    … there are much inconsistent use between two

    addison: paragraph direction is the term used in Unicode
    glossary
    … base direction is not

    <addison> [57]https://unicode.org/glossary/#P

      [57] https://unicode.org/glossary/#P

    r12a: need to say about string as a whole or not

    <addison> [58]https://unicode.org/glossary/#P

      [58] https://unicode.org/glossary/#P

    <addison> [59]https://w3c.github.io/
    i18n-glossary/#dfn-base-direction

      [59] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/#dfn-base-direction

    addison: I'm fine with base direction is used, but needs
    clarification

    addison: will finish this PR, and back to check the final
    result

   Working With Timezones

    addison: pushed some changes to there

    xfq: will skip next two meetings, back 22

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