- From: Fuqiao Xue <xfq@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 10:34:36 +0800
- To: www-international@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-i18n-minutes.html text version: – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 25 January 2024 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240125T150000/ [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/01/25-i18n-irc Attendees Present Addison, atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard Regrets - Chair Addison Phillips Scribe xfq Contents 1. [4]Agenda Review 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]RADAR Review 5. [8]Pending Issue Review 6. [9]Publish WD of timezone to TR 7. [10]Prep for WHATWG Call 8. [11]AOB? Meeting minutes Agenda Review Action Items <gb> Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #69, #68, #67, #66, #65, #64, #53, #47, #43, #35, #33, #18, #16, #12, #11, #8, #7, #4 <addison> #69 <gb> [12]Action 69 ask PLH to add a WG feature to the gh bot (on aphillips) due 2024-01-25 [12] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/69 <addison> close #69 <gb> Closed [13]action #69 [13] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/69 <addison> #68 <gb> [14]Action 68 follow up with florian about testing with kindle (on aphillips) due 2024-01-25 [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/68 <addison> #67 <gb> [15]Action 67 add some comments to CSS #8511 (on r12a) due 2024-01-23 [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/67 <addison> close #67 <gb> Closed [16]action #67 [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/67 <addison> #66 <gb> [17]Action 66 fix base direction vs. paragraph direction in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-01-18 [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/66 <addison> #65 <gb> [18]Action 65 contact Daniel and check the Ethiopic word boundary situation (on r12a) due 2023-12-26 [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/65 addison: we can discuss #66 if we have time today <addison> #64 <gb> [19]Action 64 Make list of HTML issues for February 22 call with WHATWG (on aphillips, xfq) [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/64 <addison> #53 <gb> [20]Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01 [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53 <addison> #47 <gb> [21]Action 47 make the CSSWG aware of Warichu (on frivoal) due 2023-10-04 [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/47 <addison> #43 <gb> [22]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18 [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 <addison> #35 <gb> [23]Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai) due 2023-08-30 [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35 <addison> #33 <gb> [24]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 <addison> #18 <gb> [25]Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal, fantasai) due 18 Jul 2023 [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18 <addison> #16 <gb> [26]Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips) due 1 Jan 2024 [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 <addison> #12 <gb> [27]Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 <addison> #11 <gb> [28]Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal) due 18 Jul 2023 [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11 <addison> #8 <gb> [29]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 <addison> #7 <gb> [30]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 <addison> #4 <gb> [31]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 Info Share r12a: Sid might work on this in March addison: I'm gonna have a MessageFormat open house … on Feb 20 … I'll post the details r12a: I have a request for Bert … we can raise an issue on IRC and it will go to GitHub issue list … add a comment to a GitHub issue … for action 23, add blah blah blah comment Bert: that is possible <Bert> gb, help note <gb> Bert, the command "note #nn: text" or <gb> … "note yyy#nn: text" or "note xxx/yyy#nn: text" tells <gb> … me to add some text to GitHub issue nn in repository xxx/yyy. <gb> … The colon(:) is optional. If you omit xxx or xxx/yyy, I will <gb> … find the repository in my list of repositories. <gb> … You can also use a URL: "note [32]https://gith.../ issues/nn text" [32] https://gith../issues/nn <gb> … See also "gb, help use" for creating a list of repositories. <gb> … Aliases: comment, note. <gb> … Example: note #71: This is related to #70. Bert: you have to explicitly name the issue or the number that you want to add the comment r12a: oh, so you can already do it Bert: you can, yes <Bert> gb, help? <gb> Bert, I am a bot to look up and create GitHub issues and <gb> … action items. I am an instance of GHURLBot 0.3. <gb> … Try "gb, help commands" or <gb> … see [33]https://w3c.github.io/GHURLBot/manual.html [33] https://w3c.github.io/GHURLBot/manual.html [34]https://w3c.github.io/GHURLBot/manual.html#comment [34] https://w3c.github.io/GHURLBot/manual.html#comment RADAR Review <addison> [35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 [35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 addison: Bitstring Status List v1.0 … another VC spec … unless anyone objects I'll take this one Pending Issue Review <addison> [36]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/ issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:pending [37]w3c/i18n-activity#1815 [37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 <gb> [38]Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [s:infra] [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 addison: I had to revert exporting UTF-8 … because exporting it reminded us of why we didn't have it exported before … if conflicts with a definition in Encoding … so I created an issue in our repo to check … WHATWG people believe that Infra should be used by everyone … as we've discussed previously, that turns out not to work <addison> [39]w3c/i18n-activity#1813 [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1813 <gb> [40]Issue 1813 I18N Considerations needed? (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:vc-bitstring-status-list] [40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1813 addison: for some people addison: about #1813, they have an I18N Considerations section <gb> [41]Issue 1813 [not found] [41] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1813 addison: which points to another I18N Considerations section <addison> [42]w3c/i18n-activity#1812 [42] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1812 <gb> [43]Issue 1812 Encoding of `statusListIndex` (by aphillips) [pending] [s:vc-bitstring-status-list] [non-I18N] [43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1812 addison: @@ … let's close this addison: it's not really an i18n issue … maybe a little bit … "expressed as a string" should be encoded a bit more clearly … In particular, is the number decimal or hex? … it will be an i18n-tracker issue Publish WD of timezone to TR <addison> [44]w3c/timezone [44] https://github.com/w3c/timezone <addison> [45]https://w3c.github.io/timezone/ [45] https://w3c.github.io/timezone/ <addison> [46]https://www.org/TR/timezone [46] https://www.org/TR/timezone <addison> [47]https://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/ [47] https://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/ r12a: the www.org link used to always work for me on my Mac and it doesn't seem to be working anymore addison: the note was published in 2011 … I'd like to obsolete the note and start having the ED to be the /TR version r12a: we're not gonna create a new document altogether addison: no xfq: any particular update you'd like to do for the new version? addison: Temporal hasn't landed at JS … IETF sedate is still not quite landed … so there's some time … I'm not satisfied with all the text 100% … nothing is sacred in this version yet, but I think it's complete enough that people could point back to it … and we have issues with people like HTML r12a: is there anything in the old version that hasn't migrated to the new version but should have done? addison: everything in the old version is somewhere here … maybe rewritten, but it's all here r12a: there are a bunch of guidelines … do we have all those still intact? addison: they all fitted into mustard somewhere addison: I can double check that r12a: you probably need a 'History of this document' section as well … to see what's changed addison: OK … Acknowledgements has a little bit of history … I'll make another pass … do you want to review it again? JcK: I'll review it … do you want me to just send you a note? addison: yes, please Prep for WHATWG Call <addison> [48]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/ issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AAgenda%2BI18N%2BWHATWG [48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:Agenda+I18N+WHATWG <addison> [49]w3c/i18n-activity#778 [49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/778 <gb> [50]Issue 778 Validating internationalized mail addresses in ____________________ (by himorin) [tracker] [s:html] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [50] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/778 <addison> [51]w3c/i18n-activity#954 [51] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/954 <gb> [52]Issue 954 Fix #4562: add support for internationalized email addresses (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [52] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/954 <addison> [53]w3c/i18n-activity#955 [53] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/955 <gb> [54]Issue 955 Add &nnbsp; entity for U+202F (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [i:encoding] [spec-type-issue] [mlreq] [alreq] [hlreq] [amlreq] [afrlreq] [i:inline_features_punctuation] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [54] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/955 addison: #955 about adding new named entities to HTML <gb> [55]Issue 955 [not found] [55] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/955 addison: I want the EAI issue finished … I believe we all think HTML wants to land is a string with an @ sign an possibly a dot … maybe you're checking the right hand side for domain-ish JcK: I would certainly rather have a relatively opaque syntax <addison> [56]w3c/i18n-activity#1575 [56] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1575 <gb> [57]Issue 1575 A tag to display date and/or time to the user in his preferred format. (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [t:loc_time] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [57] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1575 addison: #1575 is about displaying dates and times <gb> [58]Issue 1575 [not found] [58] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1575 addison: what I would like to see is that they provide the same kind of controls @@ … which is lang … recreating that disaster is not something we would want to have happen <addison> [59]w3c/i18n-activity#1645 [59] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1645 <gb> [60]Issue 1645 ____________________ : Time vs. duration (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [t:loc_time] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [60] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1645 addison: #1645 is sort of the same thing <gb> [61]Issue 1645 [not found] [61] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1645 addison: except that they want to allow people to enter durations <addison> [62]w3c/i18n-activity#1590 [62] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1590 <gb> [63]Issue 1590 For attributes which can contain a mix of languages, provide markup for language of parts (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [t:bidi_markup] [t:markup_elements_attributes] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [63] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1590 addison: @@hour cycle@@ addison: it's about providing markup and attributes for language <addison> [64]whatwg/html#8280 [64] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/8280 <gb> [65]Issue 8280 For attributes which can contain a mix of languages, provide markup for language of parts (by ChasBelov) [i18n-tracker] [65] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/8280 addison: what do we want to do here? r12a: it's an issue … the question is what the solution would be … I can think of a couple of possibilities … one is to allow more than one @@ … that's kind of complicated … the other one would be to allow markup inside alt … which is also probably not gonna fly addison: solve corner cases … because it's not very common that you need to have multiple alt … @@2 … do we want to have a separate issue for that? … separate issue for tagging attributes with a language r12a: we actually solved the problem with XHTML 2 … but HTML5 doesn't have it JcK: I remember discussion about a very similar set of issues <addison> [66]w3c/i18n-activity#1691 [66] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1691 addison: we can discuss it with them <gb> [67]Issue 1691 "The directionality of an attribute of an HTML" seems weird? (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [t:bidi_markup] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [67] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1691 <addison> [68]whatwg/html#9146 [68] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9146 <gb> [69]Issue 9146 "The directionality of an attribute of an HTML" seems weird? (by fantasai) [i18n-tracker] [69] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9146 addison: this one is from fantasai … I haven't read it that deeply but it looks like something we might care about <addison> [70]w3c/i18n-activity#1697 [70] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1697 <gb> [71]Issue 1697 Specify expected behavior for when users change input field directionality (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [t:bidi_markup] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [71] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1697 addison: here's another one from last year … which is about contenteditable xfq: if the user changes the language of the input field, what will happen? r12a: I don't think the issue is about input fields … it's about how to control direction in elements that are set to contenteditable <addison> [72]w3c/i18n-activity#1743 [72] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1743 <gb> [73]Issue 1743 Disabled dates for input type=date (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [t:loc_time] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [73] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1743 r12a: the issue is about when you're typing text into contenteditable … how do you manage direction then? <addison> [74]w3c/i18n-activity#1815 [74] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 <gb> [75]Issue 1815 Discuss i18n-glossary and Infra harmonization (by aphillips) [pending] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG] [s:infra] [75] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1815 addison: I'll remind everyone that we have a TAG issue open … because we recommend the polar opposite of what they do … about UTF-16 code unit strings … my recollection from the RDF conversation was they couldn't use Infra … because thier definition is incompatible with things like XML … so they don't want to take the definitions from Infra … couple of challenges … one is our glossary like all of our documents is not normative … which is probably good, because we change it a lot … but we do face things where people want to reference to our thing and it's not normative … @@3 … I have nothing against Infra … but I don't think it's complete for our needs xfq: and sometimes our definition explains things more clearly addison: we put a lot of effort in that … we can discuss this with them in a phone call … we have 66 issues against HTML … i'm not tagging them all with agenda+ … we have only a vanishingly small number of needs-resolution issues and they're pretty old … almost everything else is tracker … and we might want to think about which of these we want to promote AOB? addison: anything else you guys want to do today? [adjourned]
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