- From: Fuqiao Xue <xfq@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 10:44:40 +0800
- To: www-international@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2024/06/27-i18n-minutes.html text version: – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 27 June 2024 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b40424a9-1664-4b61-965c-27712bb6a648/20240627T150000/ [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/06/27-i18n-irc Attendees Present Addison, atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard Regrets - Chair Addison Phillips Scribe Bert, xfq Contents 1. [4]Agenda Review 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]RADAR Review 5. [8]Publishing Urdu counter styles PR 6. [9]Latin Layout Requirements and DPUB Pagination 7. [10]I18N-glossary vs. Infra 8. [11]String-Meta Consumer Best Practices 9. [12]AOB? Meeting minutes Agenda Review Action Items <addison> #110 <gb> [13]Action 110 create new latin lreq document to host dpig contents (on r12a) due 2024-06-27 [13] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/110 r12a: I've been working on the latin lreq … I spent quite a lot of time today working on it … it takes a while <addison> #109 <gb> [14]Action 109 reply to pub folk about updating dpub-latinreq to point to our (new) document (on aphillips) due 2024-06-27 [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/109 <addison> close #109 <gb> Closed [15]issue #109 [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/109 <addison> #107 <gb> [16]Action 107 write an issue about quote auto behavior for non-q elements (on frivoal) due 2024-06-25 [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/107 <addison> #106 <gb> [17]Action 106 write to ietf group about rfc9457 (on aphillips) due 2024-06-20 [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106 <addison> #105 <gb> [18]Action 105 Review https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumer s (on r12a) due 2024-06-13 [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105 r12a: Done! <addison> close #105 <gb> Closed [19]issue #105 [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105 <addison> #104 <gb> [20]Action 104 follow up on action#4 by writing an email (on aphillips) due 2024-06-13 [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104 <addison> close #104 <gb> Closed [21]issue #104 [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104 addison: Respec/bikeshed markup thing. I volnteered r12a and myself to review pull requests. <addison> #93 <gb> [22]Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25 [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 <addison> #90 <gb> [23]Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18 [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 <addison> #89 <gb> [24]Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18 [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 <addison> #79 <gb> [25]Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 addison: I will check when the next call is, probably in 2 weeks. <addison> #78 <gb> [26]Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 addison: I made a set of pending issues against Infra for things in conflict between our two documents <addison> #33 <gb> [27]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 addison: We have some needs-attention issues still open. <addison> #8 <gb> [28]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 <addison> #7 <gb> [29]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 <addison> #4 <gb> [30]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 Info Share r12a: I did a bidi webinar on Tuesday. Seems to have gone well. Muchr bigger attention than in past two years. … 175 was previous record, now 370 registered. 176 or so turned up. … Another scheduled for August. Topic not yet decided. … I suggested we hold a 3rd webinar, about creating content that might become localized in to arabic etc. … about markup, CSS, etc. … I might do that as a W3C employee then, rather than as myself. … Got good publicity. addison: Recorded? <xfq> r12a++ r12a: Yes, it will be on Youtube. RADAR Review <addison> [31]https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 [31] https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 addison: No new incoming requests xfq: I also reviewed HTML ruby, and found no other issues. Publishing Urdu counter styles PR <addison> [32]w3c/predefined-counter-styles#64 [32] https://github.com/w3c/predefined-counter-styles/pull/64 <gb> [33]Pull Request 64 index: Add Urdu styles (by r12a) [33] https://github.com/w3c/predefined-counter-styles/pull/64 r12a: Any objections to publishng ^^ ? … i.e., merge and put on /TR. addison: Chnages seem more involved than just style. r12a: Correct. I'm waiting for objections. There are some notes. About alphabetic counters, e.g. … I've been waiting for a couple of months but got no reactions from CDAC [34]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Centre_for_Development_of_Advanced_Computing [34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_for_Development_of_Advanced_Computing r12a: CDAC is not the ministry, but they tend to work together. How do I describe them? … And it is apparently "C-DAC" with a hyphen. addison: So, shall I merge it? r12a: Let me first make the chnage xfq suggested. … It is C-DAC in some places, but not all, not in the logo. Latin Layout Requirements and DPUB Pagination r12a: Halfway through creating a template for them. I18N-glossary vs. Infra <addison> [35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/ issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending+label%3As%3Ainfra [35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:pending+label:s:infra addison: Let's walk through this ^^ … Infra spec defines core terminalogy for WHATWG. And they've been promoting it also for W3C specs. <addison> [36]i18n-activity#1875 [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1875 <gb> [37]Issue 1875 Byte descriptions vs. character descriptions (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:infra] [whatwg] [37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1875 addison: They have code point string. They strip away some of the core jargon that we have in our spec. Some issues have to do with that. … They have some specification for how to include byte and character inclusions, and it is different from ours. … E.g., the namse for characters they chose are not the Unicode names (for bytes). <addison> [38]i18n-activity#1876 [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1876 <gb> [39]Issue 1876 Whatwg vs. I18N character styling (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:infra] [whatwg] [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1876 r12a: We might tell them we have ways to do that. addison: Ours is very systematic and we are adding it to Respec. r12a: They might not ne impressed. addison: They should at least allow it, even if they don't adopt it for HTML. r12a: I don't think it is an issue. But whatn is an issue is that they don't use the UNicode names. … E.g., when they say "... followed by left parenthis", it is not actually a left paren, it is an opening paren. JcK: When somebody is reading in order to figure out what to do, all this terminology variations is a source of confusiom and makes things worse. This paren issue is an excellent example. … Terminology was carefully reviewed and when somebody makes something up, because they don't like it... addison: The other issues I have are basically about thet. We have over the years made a set of jargon. <addison> [40]i18n-activity#1877 [40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1877 <gb> [41]Issue 1877 Unicode code point vs. code point (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:infra] [whatwg] [41] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1877 <addison> [42]i18n-activity#1878 [42] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1878 <gb> [43]Issue 1878 "code points are characters" (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:infra] [whatwg] [43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1878 addison: The authors of Infra understand it, but they think they can make things easier for their readers. … One issue is what code point means. We use it as code point in the current character set, they mean it as Unicode code point. … They also use it to mean UTF-16 code point. … We distinguish code point, code units, character, … Their definition of character is not clear. … We don't use character unless it is unambiguous. r12a: ... or unless it is unimportant. addison: yes xfq: Not so important to convince them about character styling, but useful to use the definitions. addison: The Infra authors in general understand and use the terms in the right places, but others may not understand "character" as well. … They should use the Unicode names for characters. They are standard and wellknown. … I don't intend to file these as issues. Should I compile them into something, including our present conversation? JcK: Give some examples of where confusion comes from. addison: I'll draw all of them into a single issues and then we can review it next week before presentation. String-Meta Consumer Best Practices <r12a> [44]https:// deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers [44] https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers r12a: I think the <span> should already be in the "before" code, not in the replacement of the variable. … We say that in our articles. If you include HTML, you should enclose it in bdi or span. … But you don't know if the <span> should have dir=rtl or rtl addison: I assume that somehow comes from the variable. … I see that I need to reformulate the example. r12a: The FSI (first strong isolate) is not the right one in this example. You should use RLI. addison: That's what I do. … I cancall out that it produces the wrong result for this kind of string. addison: How about the rest, the requirements? are they correct. r12a: I have no comments on those. <addison> [45]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/591/files [45] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/591/files <gb> [46]Pull Request 591 Address comments (by aphillips) [46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/591 xfq: (I added a preview to the first comment, so you can see it better than with netlify.) r12a: Best results if you indent the code, and indent the code by the same amount of spaces. addison: It uses a 2018 style sheet. r12a: There is a 2022 style, isn't there? … New styles come with new shapes for the document, so not so easy to just replace everything. xfq: I think we use 2022 style for the new articles. r12a: I would be great to be able to point to this article soon. addison: Yes, I'd like to point to it, too. r12a: Publish tomorrow, then? addison: Sure, but I'll check the new style sheet first. [47]https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/guidelines/ editing [47] https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/guidelines/editing r12a: Also compare to an article that uses the latest style and also the latest markup. xfq: ^^ shows templates <r12a> [48]w3c/i18n-editors [48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-editors/ r12a: Also see i18n-editors repo <r12a> [49]https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/ guidelines/editing#files [49] https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/guidelines/editing#files AOB? addison: Next week is 4th of July, US holiday. Meeting or not? r12a: Gap analysis for Udru scheduled for publishing on Tuesday. addison: So let's have a meeting next week.
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