[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2024-06-13

https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-minutes.html





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                              – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

13 June 2024

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240613T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard

    Regrets
           Bert

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           xfq

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]Pending Issue Review
     6. [9]I18N WG/IG recharter
     7. [10]String-Meta Consumer guidance PR
     8. [11]I18N+CSS prep
     9. [12]AOB?
    10. [13]Summary of action items

Meeting minutes

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    addison: is there anything else we need to add to the agenda?

    <addison> [14]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues

    <addison> #105

    <gb> [15]Action 105 Review
    https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumer
    s (on r12a) due 2024-06-13

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105

    <addison> #104

    <gb> [16]Action 104 follow up on action#4 by writing an email
    (on aphillips) due 2024-06-13

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104

    <addison> #4

    <gb> [17]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
    character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips,
    r12a) due 27 Jul 2023

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4

    <addison> #103

    <gb> [18]Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103

    addison: #103, it's a little more complicated since I clicked
    on the first step

    <addison> #102

    <gb> [19]Action 102 ping alreq group to review our
    i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102

    addison: if I run into anything, I may ping you

    <addison> [20]i18n-activity#1620

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620

    <gb> [21]Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key
    navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?]
    [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui]

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620

    addison: #102, I did send emails to those lists and I don't
    think anybody's responded
    … anybody gonna look or should I nudge again?

    xfq: we can raise github issues

    r12a: they're not terribly active at the moment
    … Najib often comments on things but the hlreq folks haven't
    been active for a while now

    <addison> #101

    <gb> [22]Action 101 research what if anything to do with
    dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments (on xfq) due
    2024-05-30

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101

    <addison> #99

    <gb> [23]Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property
    (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99

    xfq: #101, still pending

    addison: #99, done
    … will bring it up with CSS in the upcoming call with them

    <addison> #9

    <gb> [24]CLOSED Action 9 Follow up with ecma-402 on next steps
    and start tc39 discussion (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/9

    #98

    <gb> [25]Action 98 fix code points examples in
    lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98

    <addison> #96

    <gb> [26]Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix
    i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96

    <addison> #93

    <gb> [27]Action 93 create best practices for consumers in
    string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93

    <addison> #90

    <gb> [28]Action 90 steal some of henri's text from
    scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due
    2024-04-18

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90

    <addison> #89

    <gb> [29]Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on
    xfq) due 2024-04-18

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89

    <addison> #87

    <gb> [30]Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's
    assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04

      [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87

    addison: #87, done

    close #87

    <gb> Closed [31]issue #87

      [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87

    ACTION: addison: write to ietf group about rfc9457

    <gb> Created [32]action #106

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106

    <addison> close #87

    <gb> Closed [33]issue #87

      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87

    <addison> #79

    <gb> [34]Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in
    ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

      [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79

    <addison> #78

    <gb> [35]Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list
    and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

      [35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78

    <addison> #33

    <gb> [36]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
    for further review (on aphillips)

      [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33

    <addison> #8

    <gb> [37]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
    formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

      [37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8

    <addison> #7

    <gb> [38]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
    comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
    r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

      [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7

    <addison> #4

    <gb> [39]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
    character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips,
    r12a) due 27 Jul 2023

      [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4

   Info Share

    <r12a> [40]https://www.unicode.org/events/

      [40] https://www.unicode.org/events/

    <r12a> [41]https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/
    7317157843728/WN_wtqmIMS-ScasVMSqMCUYOw#/registration

      [41] 
https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/7317157843728/WN_wtqmIMS-ScasVMSqMCUYOw#/registration

    r12a: Bidirectional Text (Part 1): The Basics of Bidi
    … register here ^

   RADAR Review

    r12a: we have 3 documents for publication
    … Kashmiri, Uighur, and Urdu

    <addison> [42]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [42] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    r12a: will be published on Tuesday

    xfq: haven't done HTML Ruby Markup Extensions

    addison: Device Posture API is mine
    … I have one minor comment
    … we will review it in a minute

   Pending Issue Review

    atsushi: I have an issue on Controllers Documents

    <addison> [43]i18n-activity#1860

      [43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1860

    <gb> [44]Issue 1860 type should be defined as identical to but
    not contain (by himorin) [pending] [wg:vc]
    [s:controller-document]

      [44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1860

    atsushi: I believe they want to match strings values in a JSON
    format
    … but they do not refer to the string comparison def in Infra

    [45]https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#string-is

      [45] https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#string-is

    atsushi: I suppose they mean 'identical to'

    addison: that doesn't seem like an i18n comment
    … I'll tag that as non-i18n and then you can pass that along

    atsushi: OK

    <addison> [46]i18n-activity#1859

      [46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1859

    <gb> [47]Issue 1859 Device posture and direction interaction
    (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_inline]
    [s:device-posture]

      [47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1859

    addison: I'll move controller-document to Completed
    … since we're not going to track that issue

    addison: my issue is #1859

    <gb> Issue 1859 not found

    addison: it's on the device posture spec
    … device posture is whether a device is flat or folded
    … they have an explainer about how device posture interacts
    with some other things
    … so you can find out how the viewports are arranged
    … and one of the interesting things is whether directionality
    might affect how things are arranged
    … when you fold the device like a book
    … anybody need more time?

   I18N WG/IG recharter

    addison: I'll forword

    [48]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/
    2024Jun/0003.html

      [48] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2024Jun/0003.html

    xfq: Our WG and IG charter will expire at the end of September.
    I have prepared new charters for these two groups. They are
    mostly an extension of the current charters.

    addison: need to rejoin the group after rechartering?

    xfq: don't think so
    … the scope is not changed

   String-Meta Consumer guidance PR

    <addison> [49]https://
    deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers

      [49] 
https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers

    addison: does anybody have comments?

   I18N+CSS prep

    addison: we have a call with CSS on Tuesday

    <addison> [50]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AAgenda%2BI18N%2BCSS

      [50] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:open+is:issue+label:Agenda+I18N+CSS

    addison: in addition to the item we mentioned earlier we only
    have 3 things on our list

    r12a: there's been some discussion around quote
    … the q element

    <addison> [51]w3c/i18n-activity#969

      [51] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/969

    <gb> [52]Issue 969 [css-content] Quote character choice must
    depend on surrounding language, not language of the quotation
    (by w3cbot) [s:css-content] [i:quotations] [needs-resolution]
    [t:typ_misc] [wg:css]

      [52] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/969

    r12a: and how to choose quote marks
    … maybe we should have some discussion on that
    … in this meeting

    <r12a> [53]w3c/csswg-drafts#5478

      [53] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478

    <gb> [54]Issue 5478 [css-content] Quote character choice must
    depend on surrounding language, not language of the quotation
    (by r12a) [css-content-3] [Agenda+] [Closed Accepted by CSSWG
    Resolution] [i18n-needs-resolution] [Needs Edits] [Needs
    Testcase

      [54] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478

    <gb> … (WPT)] [Needs Naming (Request to Bikeshed)] [Agenda+
    i18n]

    r12a: the CSSWG has been discussing it as well
    … so perhaps we should put that on the agenda to keep the ball
    rolling

    addison: OK

   AOB?

    addison: I have added that

    r12a: we could informatively introduce them to the changes
    we've been making to the lreq documents

    addison: OK
    … I'll add that to the agenda as well

Summary of action items

     1. [55]addison: write to ietf group about rfc9457

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