- From: Fuqiao Xue <xfq@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 09:00:09 +0800
- To: www-international@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-minutes.html
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– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
23 May 2024
[2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.
[2]
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240523T150000/
[3] https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
(maybe), Addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, JcK (maybe), xfq
Regrets
r12a
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Bert
Contents
1. [4]Agenda Review
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]Pending Issue Review
6. [9]string-meta explainer
7. [10]needs-attention issue review
8. [11]AOB?
9. [12]Summary of action items
Meeting minutes
ACTION: addison: complain to plh about the new IRC tool
<gb> Created [13]action #100
[13] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100
Agenda Review
Action Items
<addison> #99
<gb> [14]Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property
(see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28
[14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99
<addison> #98
<gb> [15]Action 98 fix code points examples in
lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23
[15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98
<addison> #93
<gb> [16]Action 93 create best practices for consumers in
string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25
[16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93
<addison> #90
<gb> [17]Action 90 steal some of henri's text from
scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due
2024-04-18
[17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90
<addison> #89
<gb> [18]Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on
xfq) due 2024-04-18
[18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89
<addison> #87
<gb> [19]Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's
assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04
[19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87
<addison> #79
<gb> [20]Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in
~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
[20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79
<addison> #78
<gb> [21]Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list
and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78
<addison> #43
<gb> [22]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis
for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due
2023-09-18
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43
<addison> #33
<gb> [23]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
for further review (on aphillips)
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33
<addison> #8
<gb> [24]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8
<addison> #7
<gb> [25]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7
Info Share
JcK: BCP 47 is under control. It was inconsistent, but IANA now
working on it.
RADAR Review
<addison> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
addison: One new incoming request, HTML Ruby extensions. Who
can review?
xfq: I can. Maybe Richard, too?
Pending Issue Review
<addison> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues
string-meta explainer
<addison> [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/
gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md
[28]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md
addison: Richard had a bunch of comments, but he is not here
today.
… I usedmy own graphic for the example with ‘covid-19’.
xfq: You removed the footnotes?
addison: Yes, they became links in the text.
atsushi: the last char in Japanese & Chinese example looks
unusual for Japanese.
<xfq> [29]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%8Dgai_kanji
[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyōgai_kanji
addison: Is there a similar char to use instead?
atsushi: Need to think about it...
addison: So we should probably nudge Richard to look at the
examples.
<xfq> in my system they are rendered using "Hiragino Kaku
Gothic ProN" and "PingFang TC" fonts, and their glyphs are
different
<addison> (characters is U+5794 垔)
addison: I'll nudge Richard.
needs-attention issue review
<addison> [30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention
[30]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:needs-attention
<addison> [31]i18n-activity#8
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/8
<gb> [32]Issue 8 i18n-ISSUE-429: "valid" language tag (by r12a)
[s:webvtt] [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [wg:timed-text]
[cg:texttracks]
[32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/8
addison: As part of my reviewing issues labeled with ‘close?’.
… I don't think WebVTT is going to change. I propose we close
the issue.
<atsushi> +1 to close
<xfq> [33]https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/
[33] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/
<addison> [34]https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt/#caption-text
[34] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt/#caption-text
atsushi: Still in CR
<xfq> [35]https://www.w3.org/TR/
webvtt1/#webvtt-cue-language-span
[35] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-cue-language-span
addison: Our comment is to be clearer about what ‘valid’ means.
Otherwise nothing wrong about that note.
xfq: It is a requirement for the *author*, isn't it?
addison: They say implementations do not need to check.
… I think we're OK with saying that the tag must be ‘valid’
<addison> [36]i18n-activity#46
[36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/46
<gb> [37]Issue 46 i18n-ISSUE-391: Quotation Marks are Different
in Other Languages (by r12a) [s:dpub-pagination]
[needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:typ_misc]
[ig:publishing]
[37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/46
addison: The repo for dpub-pagination is gone. Maybe part of
dpub now?
xfq: Give me an action to find out the history and see if we
can do anything.
ACTION: xfq: research what if anything to do with
dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments
<gb> Created [38]action #101
[38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101
xfq: This one is about our latin layout requirements document.
… Keep the issue open for now.
<addison> [39]i18n-activity#78
[39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/78
<gb> [40]Issue 78 i18n-ISSUE-464: 'label' needs direction and
language metadata (by r12a) [close?] [s:mediacapture-streams]
[needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_strings]
[t:lang_strings] [wg:webrtc]
[40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/78
<addison> [41]mediacapture-main#665
[41] https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-main/issues/665
<gb> [42]Issue 665 'label' needs direction and language
metadata (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution]
[42] https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-main/issues/665
addison: We said last year we were not satisfied. Their issue
is still open.
xfq: They asked for real situations.
addison: I'm limited by the devices I have when I need to make
examples.
xfq: Makes sense to remove the needs-attention and close?
labels.
<addison> [43]i18n-activity#590
[43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/590
<gb> [44]Issue 590 advance is measured as distance up to left
side of character #3994 (by r12a) [tracker] [s:html]
[needs-attention] [whatwg]
[44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/590
addison: Issue is still open. Does not need the needs-attention
label?
<addison> [45]i18n-activity#758
[45] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/758
<gb> [46]Issue 758 The lang attribute and user input (by
himorin) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [whatwg]
[46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/758
addison: My last comment from Sep 2019 is that this may be
equivalent to dirname attribute. Leave it alone?
<addison> [47]i18n-activity#1026
[47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1026
<gb> [48]Issue 1026 Add hyphenation-hint as HTML-element (by
w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [i:hyphenation]
[whatwg]
[48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1026
<addison> [49]i18n-activity#1376
[49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1376
<gb> [50]Issue 1376 multiple natural language text fields share
language/direction [I18N] (by w3cbot) [close?] [s:appmanifest]
[needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_negotiation]
[wg:webapps]
[50] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1376
addison: Parent issue is closed, but they have done work on it
since.
… Anyone knows the status?
xfq: I think there is another issue about this, but I don't
know which.
<xfq> [51]w3c/manifest#1045
[51] https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045
<gb> [52]Issue 1045 Web Manifest Overrides (by marcoscaceres)
[i18n-tracker] [TPAC2023]
[52] https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045
addison: The document in TR still has the problem.
xfq: This ^^ is a tracker issue, but maybe it's this one.
addison: I'll comment in their 968 asking if 1045 is the one
tracking it.
… I'll remove ‘needs-attention’ and cite 1045.
xfq: Also add needs-resolution to 1045?
addison: Yes
<addison> [53]i18n-activity#1620
[53] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620
<gb> [54]Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key
navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?]
[tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui]
[54] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620
addison: Question is if arrow key navigation follows text
direction.
… It is more complex than the summary.
… Should we ping alreq and have bidi people review it?
xfq: Yes, probably.
ACTION: addison: ping alreq group to review our
[55]i18n-activity#1620
[55] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620
<gb> Created [56]action #102
[56] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102
<addison> [57]i18n-activity#1758
[57] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1758
<gb> [58]Issue 1758 Reference for punycode-encoding of IDN (by
w3cbot) [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [s:rdf-concepts]
[wg:rdf-star]
[58] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1758
addison: You worked on this, Fuqiao?
xfq: Yes, I commented on it. And on specdev.
addison: I'll remove the needs-attention label.
AOB?
Summary of action items
1. [59]addison: complain to plh about the new IRC tool
2. [60]xfq: research what if anything to do with
dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments
3. [61]addison: ping alreq group to review our
i18n-activity#1620
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