[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2024-05-23

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                              – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

23 May 2024

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240523T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2024/05/23-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           (maybe), Addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, JcK (maybe), xfq

    Regrets
           r12a

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           Bert

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]Pending Issue Review
     6. [9]string-meta explainer
     7. [10]needs-attention issue review
     8. [11]AOB?
     9. [12]Summary of action items

Meeting minutes

    ACTION: addison: complain to plh about the new IRC tool

    <gb> Created [13]action #100

      [13] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    <addison> #99

    <gb> [14]Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property
    (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99

    <addison> #98

    <gb> [15]Action 98 fix code points examples in
    lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98

    <addison> #93

    <gb> [16]Action 93 create best practices for consumers in
    string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93

    <addison> #90

    <gb> [17]Action 90 steal some of henri's text from
    scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due
    2024-04-18

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90

    <addison> #89

    <gb> [18]Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on
    xfq) due 2024-04-18

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89

    <addison> #87

    <gb> [19]Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's
    assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87

    <addison> #79

    <gb> [20]Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in
    ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79

    <addison> #78

    <gb> [21]Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list
    and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78

    <addison> #43

    <gb> [22]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis
    for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due
    2023-09-18

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43

    <addison> #33

    <gb> [23]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
    for further review (on aphillips)

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33

    <addison> #8

    <gb> [24]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
    formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8

    <addison> #7

    <gb> [25]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
    comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
    r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7

   Info Share

    JcK: BCP 47 is under control. It was inconsistent, but IANA now
    working on it.

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    addison: One new incoming request, HTML Ruby extensions. Who
    can review?

    xfq: I can. Maybe Richard, too?

   Pending Issue Review

    <addison> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

   string-meta explainer

    <addison> [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/
    gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md

      [28] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md

    addison: Richard had a bunch of comments, but he is not here
    today.
    … I usedmy own graphic for the example with ‘covid-19’.

    xfq: You removed the footnotes?

    addison: Yes, they became links in the text.

    atsushi: the last char in Japanese & Chinese example looks
    unusual for Japanese.

    <xfq> [29]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%8Dgai_kanji

      [29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyōgai_kanji

    addison: Is there a similar char to use instead?

    atsushi: Need to think about it...

    addison: So we should probably nudge Richard to look at the
    examples.

    <xfq> in my system they are rendered using "Hiragino Kaku
    Gothic ProN" and "PingFang TC" fonts, and their glyphs are
    different

    <addison> (characters is U+5794 垔)

    addison: I'll nudge Richard.

   needs-attention issue review

    <addison> [30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention

      [30] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:needs-attention

    <addison> [31]i18n-activity#8

      [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/8

    <gb> [32]Issue 8 i18n-ISSUE-429: "valid" language tag (by r12a)
    [s:webvtt] [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [wg:timed-text]
    [cg:texttracks]

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/8

    addison: As part of my reviewing issues labeled with ‘close?’.
    … I don't think WebVTT is going to change. I propose we close
    the issue.

    <atsushi> +1 to close

    <xfq> [33]https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/

      [33] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/

    <addison> [34]https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt/#caption-text

      [34] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt/#caption-text

    atsushi: Still in CR

    <xfq> [35]https://www.w3.org/TR/
    webvtt1/#webvtt-cue-language-span

      [35] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-cue-language-span

    addison: Our comment is to be clearer about what ‘valid’ means.
    Otherwise nothing wrong about that note.

    xfq: It is a requirement for the *author*, isn't it?

    addison: They say implementations do not need to check.
    … I think we're OK with saying that the tag must be ‘valid’

    <addison> [36]i18n-activity#46

      [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/46

    <gb> [37]Issue 46 i18n-ISSUE-391: Quotation Marks are Different
    in Other Languages (by r12a) [s:dpub-pagination]
    [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:typ_misc]
    [ig:publishing]

      [37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/46

    addison: The repo for dpub-pagination is gone. Maybe part of
    dpub now?

    xfq: Give me an action to find out the history and see if we
    can do anything.

    ACTION: xfq: research what if anything to do with
    dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments

    <gb> Created [38]action #101

      [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101

    xfq: This one is about our latin layout requirements document.
    … Keep the issue open for now.

    <addison> [39]i18n-activity#78

      [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/78

    <gb> [40]Issue 78 i18n-ISSUE-464: 'label' needs direction and
    language metadata (by r12a) [close?] [s:mediacapture-streams]
    [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_strings]
    [t:lang_strings] [wg:webrtc]

      [40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/78

    <addison> [41]mediacapture-main#665

      [41] https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-main/issues/665

    <gb> [42]Issue 665 'label' needs direction and language
    metadata (by xfq) [i18n-needs-resolution]

      [42] https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-main/issues/665

    addison: We said last year we were not satisfied. Their issue
    is still open.

    xfq: They asked for real situations.

    addison: I'm limited by the devices I have when I need to make
    examples.

    xfq: Makes sense to remove the needs-attention and close?
    labels.

    <addison> [43]i18n-activity#590

      [43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/590

    <gb> [44]Issue 590 advance is measured as distance up to left
    side of character #3994 (by r12a) [tracker] [s:html]
    [needs-attention] [whatwg]

      [44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/590

    addison: Issue is still open. Does not need the needs-attention
    label?

    <addison> [45]i18n-activity#758

      [45] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/758

    <gb> [46]Issue 758 The lang attribute and user input (by
    himorin) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [whatwg]

      [46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/758

    addison: My last comment from Sep 2019 is that this may be
    equivalent to dirname attribute. Leave it alone?

    <addison> [47]i18n-activity#1026

      [47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1026

    <gb> [48]Issue 1026 Add hyphenation-hint as HTML-element (by
    w3cbot) [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [i:hyphenation]
    [whatwg]

      [48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1026

    <addison> [49]i18n-activity#1376

      [49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1376

    <gb> [50]Issue 1376 multiple natural language text fields share
    language/direction [I18N] (by w3cbot) [close?] [s:appmanifest]
    [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_negotiation]
    [wg:webapps]

      [50] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1376

    addison: Parent issue is closed, but they have done work on it
    since.
    … Anyone knows the status?

    xfq: I think there is another issue about this, but I don't
    know which.

    <xfq> [51]w3c/manifest#1045

      [51] https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045

    <gb> [52]Issue 1045 Web Manifest Overrides (by marcoscaceres)
    [i18n-tracker] [TPAC2023]

      [52] https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1045

    addison: The document in TR still has the problem.

    xfq: This ^^ is a tracker issue, but maybe it's this one.

    addison: I'll comment in their 968 asking if 1045 is the one
    tracking it.
    … I'll remove ‘needs-attention’ and cite 1045.

    xfq: Also add needs-resolution to 1045?

    addison: Yes

    <addison> [53]i18n-activity#1620

      [53] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620

    <gb> [54]Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key
    navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?]
    [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui]

      [54] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620

    addison: Question is if arrow key navigation follows text
    direction.
    … It is more complex than the summary.
    … Should we ping alreq and have bidi people review it?

    xfq: Yes, probably.

    ACTION: addison: ping alreq group to review our
    [55]i18n-activity#1620

      [55] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620

    <gb> Created [56]action #102

      [56] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102

    <addison> [57]i18n-activity#1758

      [57] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1758

    <gb> [58]Issue 1758 Reference for punycode-encoding of IDN (by
    w3cbot) [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [s:rdf-concepts]
    [wg:rdf-star]

      [58] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1758

    addison: You worked on this, Fuqiao?

    xfq: Yes, I commented on it. And on specdev.

    addison: I'll remove the needs-attention label.

   AOB?

Summary of action items

     1. [59]addison: complain to plh about the new IRC tool
     2. [60]xfq: research what if anything to do with
        dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments
     3. [61]addison: ping alreq group to review our
        i18n-activity#1620

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