- From: Fuqiao Xue <xfq@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:58:51 +0800
- To: www-international@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2024/04/11-i18n-minutes.html
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– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
11 April 2024
[2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.
[2]
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240411T150000/
[3] https://www.w3.org/2024/04/11-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard
Regrets
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Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Bert
Contents
1. [4]Agenda Review
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]Pending Issue Review
6. [9]Add dark mode support for specdev
7. [10]named entity issue
8. [11]needs-attention issue review
9. [12]AOB?
10. [13]Summary of action items
Meeting minutes
Agenda Review
Action Items
<addison> #88
<gb> [14]Action 88 approach Unicode about operating a URL for
locale-ids (on aphillips) due 2024-04-11
[14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/88
addison: I did #88. Looped Felix in.
… So far neither accepted nor rejected. May be headed to a
URN-type solution.
<addison> close #88
<gb> Closed [15]issue #88
[15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/88
<addison> #87
<gb> [16]Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's
assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04
[16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87
<addison> #82
<gb> [17]Action 82 publish khmer lreq as FPWD with new format
(on r12a) due 2024-03-21
[17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/82
addison: Thanks JcK for the email addresses. But I haven't sent
yet.
<addison> close #82
<gb> Closed [18]issue #82
[18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/82
<addison> #79
<gb> [19]Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in
~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
[19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79
<addison> #78
<gb> [20]Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list
and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
[20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78
<addison> #77
<gb> [21]Action 77 create an issue against html requesting the
list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due
2024-03-07
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77
r12a: I created a pending issue to discuss.
… We talked about it and said we should all read it.
<addison> #76
<gb> [22]Action 76 propose best practices for producers and for
examples in specs in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/76
<addison> #75
<gb> [23]Action 75 work on developing new specdev material
about IDNs/domain names/etc. (on xfq) due 2024-02-29
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/75
xfq: I have an action to update the PR, but not done (due to AC
meeting).
<addison> #43
<gb> [24]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis
for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due
2023-09-18
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43
<addison> #3
<gb> [25]CLOSED Action 3 Give ghurlbot access to write to the
repo (on r12a) due 18 Jul 2023
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/3
<addison> #33
<gb> [26]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
for further review (on aphillips)
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33
addison: On the agenda for later.
<addison> #12
<gb> [27]Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues
raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12
addison: Will be in a coming meeting.
<addison> #8
<gb> [28]Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and
formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8
<addison> #7
<gb> [29]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7
<addison> #4
<gb> [30]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due
27 Jul 2023
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4
r12a: Not heard anything back yet.
Info Share
xfq: At the AC meeting there was a session about internet, DNS,
the web and the moon & mars. New lunar time zone.
… may be related to our time zone work in the future.
JcK: Did they talk about new DNS infracstructire for DNS
servers to talk back and forth?
RADAR Review
<addison> [31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
Bert: Nothing done yet on poniter events.
addison: I propose to move View Transitions to completed.
… I looked at my awaiting comment resolutuon specs. All issues
addressed. Propose to move to completed.
Pending Issue Review
<addison> [32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
[32]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:pending
<addison> [33]i18n-activity#1846
[33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1846
<gb> [34]Issue 1846 Improve handling of malformed unicode bidi
control characters (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html]
[spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq]
[34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1846
addison: Unbalanced bidi controls can break the isolation in
browsers, probably due to the way it is implemented. Make it a
"needs-resolutuion"?
<xfq> +1
<Bert> +1
Add dark mode support for specdev
<xfq> [35]w3c/bp-i18n-specdev#130
[35] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/130
<gb> [36]Pull Request 130 Add dark mode support (by xfq)
[36] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/130
<xfq> [37]https://
deploy-preview-130--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/
[37] https://deploy-preview-130--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/
xfq: I made a pull request to add dark mode. If your OS uses
dark mode, you can see it here ^^
… If you think this is good, I can add it to other specs, too.
addison: Some boxes are illegible.
xfq: Hmm, not for me...
r12a, Bert and xfq don't see the same colors as Addison. Why?
People sharing screens to show what they see.
JcK: Also problems with contrast and colors for color-blind.
xfq: Will do some a11y tests.
ACTION: xfq: update i18n specs to support dark mode
<gb> Created [38]action #89
[38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89
The Javascript button that switches dark mode does something
else than the OS dark mode. That is probably what causes the
differences.
r12a: With the JS dark mode, the check boxes actually look more
readable.
xfq: A little too prominent.
r12a: Might be OK. When you click to see those boxes, that is
what you want to see,
named entity issue
<addison> [39]i18n-activity#1841
[39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1841
<gb> [40]Issue 1841 Request for additional named entities for
invisible/ambiguous characters (by r12a) [pending] [s:html]
[t:char_ref]
[40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1841
r12a: Not sure if it useful to have enitity names for all,
e.g., the musical symbols.
addison: The Egyption symbols seem very specialized.
addison: We can just say we have a question about the musical
symbols, as we are not musicologists ourselves.
addison: Might be another teleconf discussion with them.
r12a: Anybody have ideas about the Hangul Jamo symbols? They
don't seem to work in browswers.
… the hangul filler character.
xfq: Maybe ask the Korean experts.
addison: What does "don't work" mean? You mean when you put the
Unicode chars?
r12a: At least one is in the compatibility area.
addison: Only two variation selectors?
r12a: Only two for emojis. There are others.
addison: Is there a priority order? Things to trade?
r12a: Yes, the ones in italics.
r12a: Korean is a bit unusual. In most language you go for NFC,
but in Korean decomposed gives certain possibilities.
… Writing educational stuff, then bits of syllables are useful.
… But couldn't find a lot of information about them.
addison: So what do we need to do to submit this?
r12a: An issue in the HTML list, I suppose.
addison: And are we happy with this list?
… Maybe add some text about what we discussed.
addison: The &zwsp; is mentioned at the bottom, what is that?
… the U+200B
r12a: Refresh, GitHub swallowed the "​"
addison: Maybe put it in the list, indent it.
Bert: Which ones are for the Egyptian that you mentioned?
r12a: They're not in the list yet. Egyptian is 2-dimensional,
need to put side-by-side, on top, etc,
needs-attention issue review
<addison> [41]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention
[41]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:needs-attention
<addison> [42]i18n-activity#1783
[42] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1783
<gb> [43]Issue 1783 CSS `text-spacing` property and its
longhands (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:css-text]
[needs-attention] [tag-tracker] [other:tag]
[43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1783
xfq: So we're reviewing the request to the TAG?
addison: We're viewing the TAG's decision about 'text-spacing'.
r12a: Complicated, need to do a lot of back reading...
… I have many issues on my reading list. Would like to keep
this issue so I can get to it eventually. Not next week,
though.
<addison> [44]w3c/i18n-activity#1769
[44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1769
<gb> [45]Issue 1769 Please reconsider the use of collator-based
search (by w3cbot) [tracker] [needs-attention] [t:char_sort]
[s:scroll-to-text-fragment] [cg:wicg]
[45] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1769
<addison> [46]WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment#233
[46] https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/233
<gb> [47]Issue 233 Please reconsider the use of collator-based
search (by hsivonen) [i18n-tracker] [spec issue]
[47] https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/233
xfq: Seems to need a "needs-resolution" label.
addison: Added.
xfq: It's related to our string search, but not the same
mechanism.
ACTION: addison: steal some of henri's text from
scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search
addison: We can steal from hsivonen's work for this issue for
our own string search.
<gb> Created [48]action #90
[48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90
AOB?
addison: I did a revision for string-meta. Not merged the PR
yet. Come back to it next week. Please, look at at.
Summary of action items
1. [49]xfq: update i18n specs to support dark mode
2. [50]addison: steal some of henri's text from
scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search
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