[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2023-09-07

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                              – DRAFT –
                  Internationalization WG Teleconference

07 September 2023

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/c5b143d1-0a5b-4adb-8d60-0f5f9bfe5a41/20230907T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2023/09/07-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Atsushi, Eemeli, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard

    Regrets
           -

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           xfq

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]Pending Issue Review
     6. [9]TPAC Planning
     7. [10]WCAG 2.2
     8. [11]RDF-star prep
     9. [12]Verifiable Credentials localization
    10. [13]AOB?

Meeting minutes

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    <gb> Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #41, #39, #36, #35,
    #33, #32, #18, #16, #15, #13, #12, #11, #10, #9, #8, #7, #5, #4

    <addison> #41?

    <gb> [14]Action 41 propose new specdev text on strings for xml
    (on aphillips) due 2023-09-07

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/41

    <addison> #39?

    <gb> [15]Action 39 develop best practice guidelines for
    name-like fields (on aphillips) due 2023-08-31

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/39

    <addison> #36?

    <gb> [16]Action 36 follow up with murata-san about wcag status
    (on aphillips) due 2023-08-31

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/36

    <addison> #35?

    <gb> [17]Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai)
    due 2023-08-30

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35

    <addison> #33?

    <gb> [18]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
    for further review (on aphillips)

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33

    addison: I've closed ~40 issues
    … I've been marking issues with needs-attention
    … we have ~100 issues marked 'close?'
    … making progress

    <addison> #32?

    <gb> [19]Action 32 Approve the character markup PR (on
    fantasai) due 2023-08-17

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/32

    <addison> #18?

    <gb> [20]Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about
    counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal,
    fantasai)

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18

    <addison> #16?

    <gb> [21]Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for
    i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips)

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16

    <addison> #15?

    <gb> [22]Action 15 Get character styling into w3c stylesheet
    (on aphillips)

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/15

    <addison> #13?

    <gb> [23]Action 13 Make sure generics are comfortable to read
    in the content language (on frivoal)

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/13

    <addison> #12?

    <gb> [24]Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues
    raised by google (on aphillips)

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12

    <addison> #11?

    <gb> [25]Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which
    are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal)

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11

    <addison> #10?

    <gb> [26]Action 10 With florian triage richard's article into a
    list of potential generics (on fantasai)

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/10

    <addison> #9?

    <gb> [27]Action 9 Follow up with ecma-402 on next steps and
    start tc39 discussion (on aphillips)

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/9

    <addison> #8?

    <gb> [28]Action 8 Create pr against canvas formatted text (on
    aphillips)

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8

    <addison> #7?

    <gb> [29]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
    comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
    r12a, bert-github)

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7

    <addison> #5

    <gb> [30]Action 5 Check into how to list questions at the top
    of a digest and/or improve lang enablement communications (on
    r12a)

      [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/5

    <addison> #4

    <gb> [31]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
    character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a)

      [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4

   Info Share

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    addison: we have no new incoming requests

   Pending Issue Review

    addison: that's probably not suprising since there's a
    publishing moratorium and everyone is preparing for TPAC

    <addison> [33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

    [34]w3c/i18n-activity#1756

      [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1756

    addison: I had a conversation with AnneVK about applying
    dirname to some input fields that don't currently have their
    name
    … telephone was one
    … and buttons
    … passwords were the only one left
    … RDF is still trying to define string again
    … Verifiable Credentials Data Model really don't want to use
    @language in @context
    … to set the default language in a JSON document
    … if everybody invents their own mechanism because they don't
    like @context
    … we end up with 12 different ways of specifying this document
    is in English

    <addison> [35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention

      [35] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:needs-attention

    addison: if you look at the end of the link
    … you'll see that there are 20 issues

   TPAC Planning

    addison: r12a and xfq might want to have a look and go through
    these issues

    <addison> [36]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/
    2023-TPAC-Planning

      [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/2023-TPAC-Planning

    addison: we now have a number of meetings
    … on Mon, we will meet with webapps in the afternoon
    … it's confirmed
    … on Tue, we will meet with RDF-star
    … and with APA
    … on Thursday we will meet with CSS at the end of morning

    r12a: this is all great
    … it would be great if we could put some links in here to give
    some idea of what the topic of discussion would be
    … so that we can prep beforehand
    … is that possible?

    addison: in some cases it is
    … like webapps and RDF-star
    … we have a lot of open issues with CSS
    … I'm going through and closing those as quickly as I can

    r12a: I'm suprised it starts at 8:00

    addison: I've changed the wiki page to 9 for now

    <r12a> [37]https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/#schedule

      [37] https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/#schedule

    r12a: this is the official schedule for TPAC 2023
    … it says group meetings from 9:30 every day

    addison: I did not call out Wednesday
    … Eemeli has a breakout session on DOM Localization on
    Wednesday
    … not that we're sponsoring it as a group, but it's i18n
    related

    r12a: Monday is the biggest problem for me because we have a
    team event
    … Tuesday for me is not such a big problem

    <r12a> and on Monday people such as myself will need to
    register at 9am

    <addison> [38]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/
    2023-TPAC-Planning#proposed-css-joint-agenda

      [38] 
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/2023-TPAC-Planning#proposed-css-joint-agenda

   WCAG 2.2

    addison: has anybody else taken a look?

    r12a: as a WG we're trying to unblock it

    addison: some groups claim that issues they ignored previously
    are now backwards compatibility

    r12a: plh was on vacation when he signed off the transition and
    he admits that he missed
    … that's a component of the problem

    addison: it's a single point of failure

    r12a: it has occurred to me that we're not closing a lot of
    stuff and yet people are flying through transitions
    … and we need to look more closely at that

    addison: green color doesn't mean that we put that label

    addison: I'm gonna schedule some time maybe on Monday morning

    <r12a> [39]https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/
    schedule.html#tuesday

      [39] https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/schedule.html#tuesday

   RDF-star prep

    addison: there are 2 things going on in that space
    … one is their attempts to define what a string is
    … a matter of Unicode terminology
    … the other thing is the need to add directional metadata to
    fields
    … I'll try to dig out the issues and put them in our agenda so
    that you can all be prepared

   Verifiable Credentials localization

    addison: VC is the other thing I want to bring up
    … they're trying to do the right things somewhat
    … although they use JSON-LD
    … they want to allow people to process the credentials using
    regular old JSON
    … regular JSON processor would not know how to apply natural
    language string
    … problem 2 is they're concerned that @language should not be
    applied to non-language strings and feel that this is required
    by @context

    r12a: if there are only 2 strings would it work just to have
    the language and direction that associateed with those 2
    strings?

    addison: yes, it would
    … but they've been unwilling to encoding it for every iteration
    of name and description
    … there *is* a way to associate metadata with the string
    … but you can also just decode the string with no metadata
    … because presumably they're all in the same language
    … every other JSON-based format will have exactly the same set
    of problems
    … some of them won't even be JSON-LD processors at all

   AOB?

    addison: I will see some of you in Seville in a few days

    JcK: I wish you all pleasant travels and a wonderful and
    relaxing and productive meeting

    addison: safe travels!

Received on Friday, 8 September 2023 02:54:19 UTC