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https://www.w3.org/2021/12/02-i18n-minutes.html – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 02 December 2021 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Nov/0040.html [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/12/02-i18n-irc Attendees Present Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard Regrets - Chair Addison Phillips Scribe Bert Contents 1. [4]Agenda Review 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]RADAR Review 5. [8]discuss action 1099 6. [9]BCP47 reference 7. [10]Localizable strings 8. [11]IFT Review 9. [12]AOB? 10. [13]Summary of action items Meeting minutes <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference Agenda Review atsushi: Ishii-san is preparaing a document summarizing OpenType features. … To bring it to jlreq docs, and maybe to i18n WG atsushi: speech input at OS level. Device tag exposed to JavaScript? Action Items <addison> [14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/ open [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open addison: We can talk about that under localizable strings. <addison> action-1093? <trackbot> [15]action-1093: Addison Phillips to Ping localizable thread and seek to resolve next steps with whatwg -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN [15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1093 addison: Looked at issue related to 1093 yesterday. Will talk about it later. <addison> action-1094? <trackbot> [16]action-1094: Addison Phillips to Start conversation with ecma-402 et al about webidl work -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN [16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1094 <addison> action-1096? <trackbot> [17]action-1096: Fuqiao Xue to Ping jck about link to bcp47 -- due 2021-11-25 -- OPEN [17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1096 addison: Had a couple of emails about 1094, we'll talk about it later. <JcK> Actually IANA, but... <addison> close action-1096 <trackbot> Closed action-1096. xfq: Exchanged with John about 1096. Will be an agenda item action-1099? <trackbot> [18]action-1099: Fuqiao Xue to File errata on json-ld @direction null example -- due 2021-11-25 -- OPEN [18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1099 xfq: Not yet, but not yet sure I understand the problem. Can we make it an agenda item? Info Share <r12a> [19]https://www.w3.org/International/ i18n-tests/#test_rigs [19] https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-tests/#test_rigs r12a: CSS internationalization tests … for text-transform and line alignement (first line indent) … and for letter-spacing and word-spacing xfq: There is a 'text-spacing' property, too, in css-text-4. r12a: That is another one to add, then. JcK: IETF figured out that @@ into ASCII … Not as bad as rendering Swedish å as ae, etc. addison: Use UTF-8 instead? :-) <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to infoshare <addison> bert: has become liaison to geospatial group in iso RADAR Review Bert: I've become liaison to ISO TC 211 WG4 and the EU's INSPIRE. <addison> [20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 addison: There wer some transition requests. I may need to nag some groups. xfq: NAUR is related to our work. Not requested a review yet. … From the APA WG. ACTION: addison: send email to NAUR asking after early review <trackbot> Created ACTION-1101 - Send email to naur asking after early review [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-12-09]. discuss action 1099 <xfq> [21]https://www.w3.org/TR/2020/ REC-json-ld11-20200716/#example-77-overriding-default-language- and-default-base-direction-using-an-expanded-value [21] https://www.w3.org/TR/2020/REC-json-ld11-20200716/#example-77-overriding-default-language-and-default-base-direction-using-an-expanded-value xfq: We discussed 2 weeks ago about this. … When I looked at it again, I wasn't sure to understand. addison: The @direction is null for some reason. xfq: Seems it should be rtl, like the global direction. addison: The same as the @context's direction. xfq: So are we requesting something about the @direction in "author"? Should it be "rtl"? r12a: There are several similar ones. Maybe not as problematic as I thought. addison: The "null" points to... xfq: Means a lack of value. <addison> close action-1099 <trackbot> Closed action-1099. addison: Maybe it is not an issue then. BCP47 reference JcK: I brought it to the attention of IANA and IETF applications area director. … IANA ability to do things is limited. … If the issue is to write a spec, they can do it. If it is to put a stamp of approval on somethinhg, they cannot do that. … So I'm back to not understanding the problem. addison: xfq referrred to the fact that the tools link was broken. JcK: W3C's guidance on how to refer to the tools needs to be rewritten. addison: So the link has to go to rfc-editor. <addison> [22]https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp47 [22] https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp47 xfq: So we can refer to BCP47 with that link. Another issue is that we have links to a specific section of BCP47. … No way to refer to sections. addison: So we can refer to the RFC instead of the BCP. JcK: Refer to "BCP47 ... currently RFC... " etc. addison: Do we fix the xref database, so it gets into bikeshed etc.? ACTION: xfq: update bcp47 specific section references in articles <trackbot> Created ACTION-1102 - Update bcp47 specific section references in articles [on Fuqiao Xue - due 2021-12-09]. xfq: Those links have already been changed to rfc-editor. We just need to do it in our articles. Localizable strings addison: I saw mail, I should have more to report next week. r12a: Is this because of Dom's email? addison: We have comments on a bunch of specs. WebIDL said they are modeled on JavaScript and we should ge there. … I started that conversation, but don't expect rapid progress. … My udnerstanding is a new localizable string type could take a few years. … That still leaves the question what we do with current specs. … Should they still model localizable strings as strings? r12a: Dom wants to hear from us soon, for an upcoming transition. addison: Where is his email? xfq: It was to Philippe, r12a and me only. addison: If you add me to it, I'll try to reply. … What do we want to reply? … That we currently don't mind? But I'm not hopeful that we'll get a JavaScript type soon. … Or propose that they build a datastructure? addison: Ask the TAG? It seems a web platform issue. r12a: Maybe a good idea... ACTION: addison: file issue with TAG to discuss fate of lang/dir metadata and prepare explainer <trackbot> Created ACTION-1103 - File issue with tag to discuss fate of lang/dir metadata and prepare explainer [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-12-09]. IFT Review r12a: We should also contact Dom quickly. addison: Can you put me on that thread? ACTION: addison: respond to Dom's thread after xfq forwards note <trackbot> Created ACTION-1104 - Respond to dom's thread after xfq forwards note [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-12-09]. xfq: will do. atsushi: There were several updates to the doc, but I didn't have time to check them yet. … subsetting fonts with ligatures and punctuation. I asked them some quesstions. addison: Is it a question of the wrong terminology? atsushi: There are several pull requests about changing terminology, but I haven't looked at them yet. addison: You need somebody else to look at them? atsushi: I'd like some time to draft my comments. addison: Could you create an issue in time for next week's call. atsushi: There is one issue already. <atsushi> [23]https://github.com/w3c/IFT/issues/ 41#issuecomment-964569925 [23] https://github.com/w3c/IFT/issues/41#issuecomment-964569925 <atsushi> [24]https://github.com/w3c/IFT/pull/53/files [24] https://github.com/w3c/IFT/pull/53/files atsushi: and a related patch ^^ addison: The comment from Garret on the issue above seems reasonable. … I'd be surprised if the font people didn't understand the issues. ACTION: atsushi: draft text about IFT glyph/codepoint issue atsushi: There are implementations, which could be used to provide more details. ACTION: atsushi: draft text about IFT glyph/codepoint issue <trackbot> Created ACTION-1105 - Draft text about ift glyph/codepoint issue [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2021-12-09]. AOB? addison: I glanced at the calendar: … are people away on Thursdays near the end of the year? r12a: I'll be out on the 23rd and the 30th. Maybe also on Jan the 6th. JcK: Probably best to skip 23 and 30. <Bert> I'll be out on the 30th, probably on the 23rd Summary of action items 1. [25]addison: send email to NAUR asking after early review 2. [26]xfq: update bcp47 specific section references in articles 3. [27]addison: file issue with TAG to discuss fate of lang/dir metadata and prepare explainer 4. [28]addison: respond to Dom's thread after xfq forwards note 5. [29]atsushi: draft text about IFT glyph/codepoint issue 6. [30]atsushi: draft text about IFT glyph/codepoint issue Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by [31]scribe.perl version 159 (Fri Nov 5 17:37:14 2021 UTC). 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