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https://www.w3.org/2021/08/26-i18n-minutes.html – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 26 August 2021 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Aug/0011.html [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/08/26-i18n-irc Attendees Present Addison, Atsushi, David, Felix, fsasaki, Fuqiao Regrets JcK Chair Addison Phillips Scribe atsushi Contents 1. [4]Agenda Review 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]RADAR Review 5. [8]TPAC group update/tech demo 6. [9]webAuthn follow-up 7. [10]AOB? 8. [11]Summary of action items Meeting minutes <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference Agenda Review addison: seek agenda from call participants xfq: TPAC group meeting addison: should discuss on that also Action Items <addison> [12]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/ open [12] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open addison: couple of issues in backlog addison: @@@1 assigned to me richard: will find a pointer on this and send addison: 1048, agenda item later <addison> action-1055? <trackbot> [13]action-1055: Addison Phillips to Publish localizable-manifests as fpwd with help from richard -- due 2021-08-05 -- OPEN [13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1055 <addison> close action-1055 <trackbot> Closed action-1055. addison: 1055, published <addison> action-1060? <trackbot> [14]action-1060: Atsushi Shimono to Follow up on citpc/jltf request to utc about 4 characters and bring doc for review by wg when ready -- due 2021-08-26 -- OPEN [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1060 addison: 1060, for letter to unicode richard: would try to reply to the email from Kida-san next week addison: need to discuss as a group richard: had a look at this, but haven't had time to reply … will reply to Kida-san that we would like to have a chance to review, and after review we should clarify that this was developed by a W3C group … not quite sure whether we need formal arrangements for a dual publication addison: preference was not to do joint, and have a group as a home richard: 1062, on going felix: 1064, send related question to the list addison: remember we've worked on that but forgot detail Action: addison: follow up on previous action related to language tag registry online <trackbot> Created ACTION-1067 - Follow up on previous action related to language tag registry online [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-09-02]. <addison> action-1065? <trackbot> [15]action-1065: Addison Phillips to Ping a11y to see if they intend to progress low-vision-needs -- due 2021-08-26 -- OPEN [15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1065 <addison> close action-1065 <trackbot> Closed action-1065. addison: 1065, email sent, and got responce to the list Info Share <r12a> [16]https://github.com/guybedford/proposal-is-usv-string [16] https://github.com/guybedford/proposal-is-usv-string richard: someone proposing a JavaScript method that checks for isolated surrogate characters RADAR Review <addison> [17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 addison: no incoming que, one open - html snapshot … anything new but we have outstanding issues on that addison: in another week, will finish <r12a> [18]https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/ WD-virtual-keyboard-20210824/ [18] https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/WD-virtual-keyboard-20210824/ richard: I'm also looking into new FPWD document on virtual keyboard … the only thing I'm not sure they need to say is depending on direction of text, not sure whether it is need addison: CSS environment variables, they may calculate richard: there may be something, not sure for sideways adjustments addison: boxes could move whether rtl or ltr addison: if you move onscreen keyboard, something is required … will try to have a chance to look on this TPAC group update/tech demo addison: email forwared is plenary stuff, on group updates or technical demo … few i18n demo in my pocket, but could be boring … if we jump out that, we need to decide on i18n group call, to be listed into registration page richard: no preference addison: we scheduled calls separated from this slot, to welcome chunk of meetings, could follow that also this year richard: +1 addison: can choose slots, and can send out richard: there is two windows in TPAC, and can select one … there is several hours slot, and can select one or two hours. if we agreed to have longer call, we can have something later addison: pick options and send email Action: addison: put "foot in the door" for TPAC and survey group for days/times <trackbot> Created ACTION-1068 - Put "foot in the door" for tpac and survey group for days/times [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-09-02]. addison: for group update or videos? xfq: not for gorup update nor video, but joint group meetings? … for examples, miniapps WG discussed TPAC plans, one was manifest issue including i18n issues … i18n WG may also be interested on that area addison: we can offer joint meeting if it is desired … did with HTML or CSS richard: that's why we need to decide time, and WGs could pick from these slots … hope xfq can help addison on coordination Action: addison: ping chairs for TPAC cross meetings addison: send an offer from me to the WG? <trackbot> Created ACTION-1069 - Ping chairs for tpac cross meetings [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-09-02]. addison: follow up with xfq offline webAuthn follow-up <addison> [19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/ member-i18n-core/2021Aug/0017.html [19] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Aug/0017.html addison: I was on WebAuthn call yesterday, creating very strange seriarization on natural string, and had discussion with them, raised PR from agreement on last one … but got strange answer, so get into call yesterday again. … I've brought options to them, discussed, and proposed to raise new PR before their next teleconf in two week. … for process, moving it to REC could be difficult, with metadata … one option is to have metadata in data fields, another is create new mysterias seriarization scheme than they currently have … using ascii character instead of unicode language specification character … like JSON-LD on the end of the string richard: removing existing lines is good idea, and replacing is a good idea too … it seems second point will take some long time addison: for three field is already exists … no3 could be a little faster than others … open to push no2 - the right solution … one option is removing bytes and introducing something codable characters, not sure will fit within existing bytes restriction richard: some examples could be helpful? … we are dealing with string containing data … adding metadata could be longer … we have fixed length string, so we can not just add metadata addison: challange is fixed size structure for this than, and asking increasing each size … looking BCP47, longest non-extension and tag field is 35 bytes [discussion on how to fit in short fixed size field] richard: the other thing, the language has this direction by default, but we need to eat more if will use different direction addison: credentials is normally email address etc., but could contain natural language-ed text … if that is the only string in the document, we can just use one metadata over document addison: additional field makes total size larger, and hard for small storage authentication tag richard: space constraints seems to be something important, all the bytes need for string as metadata need to fit within … serialization at the end of the string could be one of consideration richard: difference, data is the same whether including metadata - BCP r/l addison: difference among three, another field, possible truncation richard: another issue, where truncation is taken … if truncated after metadata added, all gone addison: concern is on wire or during storage … stored values with truncation could not be recovered addison: if we want to introduce in-string serialization, one is ascii serialization in JSON-LD, adding language and direction at the end of string, like three @-signs richard: if there is a size limit, starting with metadata could help <addison> [20]https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld/#the-i18n-namespace [20] https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld/#the-i18n-namespace addison: just replacing 4byte value to ascii, can save some felix: json-ld seems to rely on RDF 1.1. for the definition of language tagged strings 1.1 addison: will work on proposal with deeper discussion and reasons <fsasaki> [see this reference from the json-ld spec to [21]https://www.w3.org/TR/ rdf11-concepts/#dfn-language-tagged-string ] [21] https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#dfn-language-tagged-string richard: if you could find some examples, that's nice addison: reminder, Peter joining calls, on string truncation AOB? addison: can resume discussion on strings and metadata next week Summary of action items 1. [22]addison: follow up on previous action related to language tag registry online 2. [23]addison: put "foot in the door" for TPAC and survey group for days/times 3. [24]addison: ping chairs for TPAC cross meetings Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by [25]scribe.perl version 136 (Thu May 27 13:50:24 2021 UTC). [25] https://w3c.github.io/scribe2/scribedoc.html
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