[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2021-02-11

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– DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

11 February 2021

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Feb/0003.html
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, Richard

    Regrets
           Felix

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           addison

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]AOB?
     6. [9]Summary of action items

Meeting minutes

    trackbot, prepare teleconference

    <atsushi> (am I in the right room,,,?)

    <atsushi> [10]ah, national foundation day...

      [10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Foundation_Day

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    [11]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [11] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

   Info Share

    <r12a> Specifying changes to parameters for fallback fonts

    <r12a> [12]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/126

      [12] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/126

    richard: wanted to mention this
    … seems to be taking off
    … modify the metrics of one or more fonts in your font stack
    when you say font-family
    … so that they look similar, same height, etc.
    … useful in a number of ways
    … such as when ransom noting takes place

    richard: another use case is when you have a webfont but takes
    a while to appear, so can adjust the fallback font so the page
    doesn't jump
    … when the webfont arrives; minimizes the difference
    … thinking of using @font-face construct
    … if you say "font-weight:bold" or such, you'd get that; get
    something like "font-size-override"

    <r12a> [13]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/
    126#issuecomment-776937823

      [13] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/126#issuecomment-776937823

    richard: link is from jonathan showing what it might look like

    atsushi: CJK fonts are quite large and there are a small number
    of weights; normally 400 and bold 600 but for same
    name/category
    … bold might be encoded with different weight. cannot easily
    solve this issue without having more weights; quite difficult

    atsushi: there are many things on websites for designers, but
    mostly guidance "win doesn't have this weight; macos that one"

    richard: myles created 5 or 6 new issues; at some point may
    close 126; each issue for specific values weight, stretch,
    size, etc.

   RADAR Review

    [14]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    zakim take up agendum 7

    richard: near the end of last week I was looking into
    hyphenation

    <r12a> [15]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Ai%3Ahyphenation

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:i:hyphenation

    richard: and how it works in various non-Latin scripts

    richard: these are issues we're tracking on hyph
    … malaylam and tamil have no hyphen by do hyph.
    … someone sent a note since <wbr> is zwsp
    … I wrote back where break opportunities are
    … soft hyphen can be useful, e.g. for inserting break positions
    … the <wbr> element would be a better candidate for malayalam
    … followed idea that could decorate <wbr>
    … new property in css4 called hyphenate-character to specify
    which character to use
    … proposed could set to empty string/null

    <r12a> [16]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5972

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5972

    richard: and then raised issue that hyphenation styling could
    apply to <wbr>
    … partway towards this, if use soft hyphen
    … apply same styling if soft hyphen or just browser breaking
    … but don't mention <wbr>

    (discussion of whether wbr is being overloaded)

    richard: wbr should be same as soft-hyphen
    … for languages such as malayalam you have a way to provide
    hyphenation when browsers haven't caught up with providing
    … this hyphenate-character in css4 could say used at end or
    beginning of line
    … or both e.g. for Polish
    … mongolian uses as beginning of line

    richard: basic ideas
    … (1) use wbr in word
    … separate presentation vs. break opportunity

    hyphenate-character can be @lang'ed?

    richard: yes

    <r12a> [17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Ai%3Ahyphenation

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:i:hyphenation

    richard: started putting labels like `i:hyphenate` on issues to
    help find/group them

    addison: add to the directions for when we're filing issues?

    Action: richard: add i: labels to issue filing instructions

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-995 - Add i: labels to issue filing
    instructions [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-02-18].

   AOB?

    <r12a> [18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues

    richard: couple new issues in issue list
    … add an i:language-tagging?

    <r12a> [19]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#epub

      [19] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#epub

    richard to review epub issues for any potential problematic
    closes

Summary of action items

     1. [20]richard: add i: labels to issue filing instructions