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https://www.w3.org/2021/05/27-i18n-minutes.html – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 27 May 2021 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0013.html [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/05/27-i18n-irc Attendees Present addison, Atsushi, Bert, JcK, Richard, xfq Regrets Felix Chair Addison Phillips Scribe Bert Contents 1. [4]Agenda Review 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]RADAR Review 5. [8]Rechartering status 6. [9]I18N glossary 7. [10]Payment-Request issues 8. [11]one HTML issue 9. [12]epub issues 10. [13]AOB? 11. [14]Summary of action items Meeting minutes <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference Atsushi: [scribe missed the first part] … ruby, Murata Makoto, discussions... addison: Is this an agenda topic? Action: atsushi: ensure that a summary of the ruby issue in english is forwarded to the working group <trackbot> Created ACTION-1030 - Ensure that a summary of the ruby issue in english is forwarded to the working group [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2021-06-03]. r12a: Would be good if somebody made a summary of the Japanese e-mail discussion in English Agenda Review Action Items <addison> [15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/ open [15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open <addison> action-1027? <trackbot> [16]action-1027: Richard Ishida to File issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical -- due 2021-05-27 -- OPEN [16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1027 <addison> close action-1027 <trackbot> Closed action-1027. <addison> action-1028? <trackbot> [17]action-1028: Addison Phillips to Update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions -- due 2021-05-27 -- OPEN [17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1028 <addison> close action-1028 <trackbot> Closed action-1028. <r12a> [18]https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/ issues/144#issuecomment-849206284 [18] https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144#issuecomment-849206284 r12a: related to action-1028, I just added to the questions ^^. <addison> action-1029? <trackbot> [19]action-1029: Addison Phillips to Review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed -- due 2021-05-27 -- OPEN [19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1029 <addison> close action-1029 <trackbot> Closed action-1029. Info Share Nothing. RADAR Review <addison> [20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 r12a: I updated all gap-analysis documents. <xfq> r12a++ <atsushi> r12a++ r12a: That publication required working around new publication rules, which need all images in the same directory. … Putting all images in the directory is now simple for me, but I haven't written up how I did it yet. Rechartering status <r12a> [21]https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/271 [21] https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/271 r12a: See link ^^ … My request for charter review by the strategy team. … contains links to the charter drafts for IG and WG. … Period is 3 years. Updated charter template, but no real changes. … Current charter ends 30 June, there may be a gap before the next charter starts. … Character Model Fundamentals is part of the deliverables. addison: We could make it a Note instead of a Rec, what it is now. … We could also make a new document, borrowing from the Rec, and publish *that* as a Note. I18N glossary <r12a> [22]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/ [22] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/ r12a: We talked about this previously. Is this ^^ in the right direction? <r12a> [23]https://www.w3.org/International/articles/ definitions-time/ [23] https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-time/ r12a: I took some definitions for time zones from an article. addison: Is this copy-paste? Automated? r12a: copy-paste followed by editing. addison: Should there be links to the sources? r12a: Quite possibly. <xfq> [24]https://unicode.org/glossary/ [24] https://unicode.org/glossary/ r12a: The a11y glossary has links, if three defintions it links to all three. Maybe not too useful. addison: If you want more info beyond the definition, a link might be handy. But we try to make the def. somewhat stand-alone. r12a: I decided, after thinking about it, to include String Meta. addison: It is not all industry jargon. r12a: It is all i18n-WG-jargon. … My current inclination is to not include everything, but include what we may want to link to from various places. Link from a spec but also from an article. … String Meta, and also Character Model, is largely about defining terms. But it is useful to have a succinct definition. JcK: Yes, this is very worthwhile. r12a: We can still decide later what we want to do with it. addison: Who is the editor? Are you? r12a: Happy to work on this. … Typically, if you need a def, it is easy to add it, rather than wait for somebody else to write it. addison: At some point we will need to decide on FPWD and such for this. r12a: Fuqiao asked about adding links to other glossaries, such as Unicode. … That is a good idea. … Fuqiao also found some links hard to click. That should be fixed now. … For the ToC, I looked at how WAI did it. Payment-Request issues <addison> [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/ issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Apayment-request [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:s:payment-request r12a: I noticed a discrepancy in the number of items... addison: There is about three not flagged for closing. <addison> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1046 [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1046 <addison> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1040 [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1040 <addison> [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/848 [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/848 addison: See the three links ^^ … The last one comes from plh's tool. r12a: I think I downgraded it from "needs-resolution" in 2017. … It is difficult to understand these, lots of links, not clear what the actual change is. addison: #1046, they recognized the issue, but no change in this version. r12a: I'll put a recycle tag on it. addison: #1040, they added something to get a language from the element in the document. But the notification is not always document-based, e.g., a push notification. r12a: So that is an argument for adding the metadata. addison: Totally. Action: addison: document the state of payment-request <trackbot> Created ACTION-1031 - Document the state of payment-request [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-06-03]. r12a: W.r.t., localizing error, we probably need to reply on their list. We say what we wanted and say that we will watch for in the next version. addison: I'll make that part of my action of documenting payment-request. … I'll send an email to Ian and Marcos and go through the list of issues. one HTML issue <r12a> [29]https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4814 [29] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4814 r12a: This ^^ talks about a datalist item and matching it to what a user is typing. … It seems we agree on what is needed, but not sure about what is next. … Will it be implemented? It was suggested I write a Pull Request. addison: It doesn't seem ready. But you can write a Pull Request. r12a: I'd like to pass it by this WG for comments. <addison> [30]https://github.com/w3c/string-search [30] https://github.com/w3c/string-search addison: We have a doc about this, ^^, but it is mostly empty. … It serves to scare people away from writing find_text() :-) addison: I suggest you propose some text, in an email, and we'll discuss it. Action: richard: propose text for html 4814 (datalist find/string search) <trackbot> Created ACTION-1032 - Propose text for html 4814 (datalist find/string search) [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-06-03]. epub issues <xfq> [31]https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1648 [31] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1648 <xfq> [32]https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/ core/#sec-container-filenames [32] https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/core/#sec-container-filenames xfq: First issue ^^ is about normalization and case-folding. … They added some new text. … Text says file names in a directory must be unique after NFC norm. and case-folding. r12a: Does it need to say which normalization? … For matching any one is enough. <addison> [33]https://w3c.github.io/ charmod-norm/#CanonicalFoldNormalizationStep [33] https://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#CanonicalFoldNormalizationStep addison: Just Unicode canonical case-fold is enough. xfq: So no need to mention NFC normalization, then? r12a: But as they reference Unicode instead of our doc, it may need to say something about norm. addison: … We advise them that they do not need to mention NFC, but only some canonical form? r12a: Yes, or they can say "NFC or NFD" … so they don't limit people to NFC. <xfq> [34]https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1629 [34] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1629 xfq: We dicussed ^^ before about length of path names. … We proposed to add some text. … They say the spec does not say how to handle too long names on purpose. r12a: OK, but a note to warn against splitting at code points. addison: Such a health warning makes sense, even if they don't want to limit what implementations do. xfq: Makes sense, but not sure they want to add such a note. addison: We are asking to say, *if* an implementation truncates, then don't do this. … Shall I write the message? AOB? nothing. Summary of action items 1. [35]atsushi: ensure that a summary of the ruby issue in english is forwarded to the working group 2. [36]addison: document the state of payment-request 3. [37]richard: propose text for html 4814 (datalist find/string search)
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