[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2021-05-20

https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-i18n-minutes









  – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

20 May 2021

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0009.html
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, atsushi, Bert, fsasaki, Fuqiao, JcK, r12a

    Regrets
           Felix

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           atsushi

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]CSS column layout
     6. [9]personalization semantics issue
     7. [10]Charmod Edits, Publish to TR?
     8. [11]Web payments status
     9. [12]open tracker issues about personalization-semantics
    10. [13]personalization semantics issue
    11. [14]AOB?
    12. [15]Summary of action items

Meeting minutes

    <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    <addison> [16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/
    open

      [16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    <addison> action-1022?

    <trackbot> Error querying: could not connect to Tracker. Please
    mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

    <addison> [17]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/
    1022

      [17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1022

    <addison> close action-1022

    <trackbot> Closed action-1022.

    <addison> [18]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/
    1024

      [18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1024

    <addison> [19]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/
    1026

      [19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1026

    <addison> close action-1026

    <trackbot> Closed action-1026.

   Info Share

    <r12a> [20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/3

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/3

    richard: link above
    … as told before, gap-analysis project is here
    … consolidated items on this project
    … exactly 100 issues listed, 63 need to be investigated
    … once work done, moving to another column
    … few additional idea on how issue is important, what relates

    addison: documentation on what to do?

    richard: you can open issue, following template
    … template is written in pretty detail

    addison: open to large community?

    richard: need to be performed by TF participants
    … if ones already in these groups, it's fantastic if they can
    take roles

    richard: working on my application in personal site

    <r12a> [21]https://r12a.github.io/pickers/armn/

      [21] https://r12a.github.io/pickers/armn/

    richard: lot of little tools here
    … and making language tools into one bigger integrated tool
    … left hand side, narrow box you can select type of input, and
    you can type characters/sentence with these

    richard: you can share characters into other applications, like
    character use cases, or from uniview

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    addison: CSS multicolumn layout module level 1

   CSS column layout

    <xfq> [23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/153

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/153

    xfq: in the issue, I've commented

    <r12a> [24]https://www.w3.org/TR/css-multicol-1/

      [24] https://www.w3.org/TR/css-multicol-1/

    xfq: multicolumn layout can be adopted into writing mode

    richard: implementers could be fully aware on vertical writing
    with this
    … ones like short sentence could need some care
    … the biggest issue for me is terminology
    … it's been used for long time, one sentence in the spec
    mentions line with different direction

    addison: to be action?

    richard: whether asking to them for this?

    xfq: yes, inline base direction for different writing mode
    could be mentioned, and it could be helpful for implementers

    richard: agree. as editorial request

    <r12a> [25]https://r12a.github.io/scripts/
    mongolian/#generallayout

      [25] https://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/#generallayout

    richard: have some example for mongolian, need some more from
    other language

    atsushi: will work on for japanese

    Action: richard: file issue on css multi-col to clarify columns
    in vertical

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1027 - File issue on css multi-col to
    clarify columns in vertical [on Richard Ishida - due
    2021-05-27].

   personalization semantics issue

    <xfq> [26]https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/
    issues/144

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144

    xfq: team contact said to me on the issue above
    … asked whether we are satisfied with this or not, for expected
    publicaiton of spec in near future

    richard: addison reopened the issue, what was the reason?

    xfq: still have some open issues
    … this issue is for metadata, rely on lang and dir

    addison: question is that symbology follows the same language
    and direction

    richard: the first comment addison made could be clearer about
    the problem we are concerned about

    addison: don't understand what there reply states...
    … will comment with questions to this issue

    Action: addison: update personalization-semantics issue with
    clarifying statements and questions

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1028 - Update
    personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and
    questions [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-05-27].

   Charmod Edits, Publish to TR?

    <addison> [27]http://aphillips.github.io/charmod-norm/

      [27] http://aphillips.github.io/charmod-norm/

    <addison> [28]https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/pull/215

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/pull/215

    addison: based on my action items, PR opened here

    <addison> [29]https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/
    charmod-norm/215/21284b0...aphillips:5ea3dc9.html

      [29] https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/charmod-norm/215/21284b0...aphillips:5ea3dc9.html

    addison: this is to address, moving normalization before
    casefold, and move optional to the last
    … one is 2.4.1 and other is 3.2.2.4

    addison: question is ready to go, and ready to be published

    richard: this casefolding is working, if normalization taken?
    … it should be clear, optional step 3, re-normalize to NFC,
    have to be done again

    addison: recommending NF as output

    richard: like IPA, better to be in NFC than NFD

    richard: making two points, step 3 before unicode normalization
    … steps [..lost..]

    bert: there is two case folding in the last sentence of the
    first para in 2.4.1

    addison: in result, couples of edits to do

    richard: example 26 is ok?

   Web payments status

    <addison> [30]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/
    member-i18n-core/2021May/0010.html

      [30] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0010.html

    <addison> [31]https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues/948

      [31] https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues/948

    addison: web payments issues, two of not-filed review issues
    are merged into one another issue

    <addison> 1357, 1359 close

    richard: haven't checked in detail, two - 1359 and 1357 should
    be closed

    addison: could add one tracker for the filed issue

   open tracker issues about personalization-semantics

    xfq: we can see some our open tracker issues on personalization
    semantics

    <xfq> [32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/
    issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Apersonalization-seman
    tics-content

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:open+is:issue+label:s:personalization-semantics-content

    richard: we need to close trackers which could be closed

    addison: check and review them, and take actions (to close) if
    any

    Action: addison: review payment-request issues and mark for
    close as needed

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1029 - Review payment-request issues
    and mark for close as needed [on Addison Phillips - due
    2021-05-27].

    richard: looking through html, will put a list together for
    next week

   personalization semantics issue

    <xfq> [33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/878

      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/878

    xfq: have reviewed not all of these yet

    <xfq> [34]https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/
    issues/141

      [34] https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/141

    xfq: tracker 878 is related to our previous ones for metadata

    richard: we may need to point some reference
    … still question, in arabic books, use their symbol or numerics

    addison: its something like signed language, could be turned
    into some characters

    <addison> [35]https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/
    content/

      [35] https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/

    [reading content module]

    <addison> [36]https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/
    content/#symbol-example

      [36] https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/#symbol-example

    richard: see example 12, as a sentence

    addison: still replaced based on each word

    richard: i could clear some time tomorrow to look in more
    detail

   AOB?


Summary of action items

     1. [37]richard: file issue on css multi-col to clarify columns
        in vertical
     2. [38]addison: update personalization-semantics issue with
        clarifying statements and questions
     3. [39]addison: review payment-request issues and mark for
        close as needed

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