- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 16:33:26 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/2020/12/10-i18n-minutes.html
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– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
10 December 2020
[2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0007.html
[3] https://www.w3.org/2020/12/10-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
addison, Atsushi, fantasai, fsasaki, Richard, xfq
Regrets
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Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison, bert
Contents
1. [4]Agenda
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]Radar
5. [8]CSS Text review
6. [9]AOB?
7. [10]Summary of action items
Meeting minutes
trackbot, prepare teleconference
agendabot, find agenda
<agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
<agendabot> Sorry, I did not find an agenda.
<agendabot> addison, sorry, I did not recognize any agenda in
[11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/
2020Dec/0007.html
[11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0007.html
Agenda
Action Items
[12]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[12] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-980?
<trackbot> [13]action-980: Richard Ishida to Review css-3
issues with xfq@ -- due 2020-12-10 -- OPEN
[13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/980
Info Share
<r12a> [14]https://r12a.github.io/scripts/featurelist/
[14] https://r12a.github.io/scripts/featurelist/
richard: feature comparison list updated
… if you click on toggle type details, a lot more info than
previous
… if you want circumgraphs (glyph around base)... there are six
that are there out of the list
… stuff like that or composite vowels and such are all new
next week: last meeting of year, sans richard
Radar
[15]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
<xfq_> [16]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1001
[16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1001
Action: addison: propose text for a stock health warning about
selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in
spec-dev
<trackbot> Created ACTION-982 - Propose text for a stock health
warning about selection/truncation e.g. on code units for
inclusion in spec-dev [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].
Action: addison: notify completion of DOM review
<trackbot> Created ACTION-983 - Notify completion of dom review
[on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].
[17]https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/
1530#pullrequestreview-548596741
[17] https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1530#pullrequestreview-548596741
CSS Text review
<addison> [18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/
member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0003.html
[18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0003.html
<addison> [19]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/95
[19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/95
r12a: Basically, not sure we have a complete answer, but copied
into klreq repo and meanwhile issue can be closed.
addison: Reason for us to close the text issue?
r12a: It's old, and I think css-text handles it.
<addison> [20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/165
[20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/165
<addison> [21]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221
r12a: the fix for 165 seems non-controversial, so I second
xfq's proposal to close.
r12a: 221: line-break no longer labeled as "at risk", so we can
close it.
<addison> [22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/224
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/224
r12a: So, Elika, you ca now go ahead with css-text.
Action: addison: update css-text review request to note
completion
<trackbot> Created ACTION-984 - Update css-text review request
to note completion [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].
fantasai: Can you say something in the review request that I
can point to?
r12a: 224: upshot is that it looks good to me.
<fantasai> [23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/146
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/146
<addison> [24]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/337
[24] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/337
xfq: The issue was not addressed and fantasai rasied a new one.
fantasai: We marked transformaton section as undefined and we
said it needs to be reopend agains css-text level 4
r12a: Yes, I remember. We need to track 5017 instead.
<r12a> [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895
<addison> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/544
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/544
r12a: that is our #895.
r12a: 544: I'm happy, it is now clearer, propose to close.
<addison> [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/545
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/545
r12a: 545: Looks to me we don't need to track it anymore.
addison: Change appears to be done.
<addison> [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/603
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/603
r12a: 603: Was editorial. Looks good to me and to himorin, too.
<addison> [29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895
addison: Now the ones you suggested to leave open.
<addison> [30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/553
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/553
addison: We just talked about #895.
r12a: 553:
fantasai: That's a level-4 issue.
<addison> [31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/556
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/556
r12a: 556: also level 4.
… I propsoe to add "needs-attention" label.
<addison> [32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/565
[32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/565
r12a: and remove the close label.
r12a: 565: (these CSS issues are so long!)
… need to read i nmore detail.
addison: Are there other issues that need attention?
fantasai: Many issues for i18n, but no more on css-text-3 for
now.
<r12a> [33]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5270
[33] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5270
fantasai: I think nothing blocks CR for that one.
r12a: 5270:
<r12a> [34]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4246
[34] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4246
fantasai: 5270 and 4246 are both css-text level 4.
<r12a> [35]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3861
[35] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3861
fantasai: Yes, #3861 is interesting.
… most of it is about tracking with Unicode, since they don't
have a public bug tracker....
<r12a> [36]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3487
[36] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3487
<r12a> [37]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3775
[37] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3775
r12a: 3775: I think it is resolved i the direction we were
hoping. Can probably be closed.
… It was also closed by CSS.
… That was an interesting discussion, with ideas that have been
floating around for a long time.
r12a: It's about what Assistive Tech does, isn't it?
fantasai: AT is based on what browser do.
xfq: and browsers have no interop...
r12a: I don't know if we want to close it now, since people
didn't review it for this meeting.
r12a got thumbs up and two hearts on his comment.
Action: richard: study css 3775 for future action
<trackbot> Created ACTION-985 - Study css 3775 for future
action [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-12-17].
of Aug 28.
fantasai: My question is if we should block CR while waiting in
r12a's study.
r12a: I'd say no. There are some 40 or so tracker issues.
addison: I will do my action to document our response right
after this call. And then you can request CR transition.
fantasai: Of all the reviews, I think the i18n issues are the
most important for this spec.
addison: I'll update the review request and ping me if there is
anything more.
AOB?
r12a: Elika and I have been discussing the first parenthesis
about Unicode bidi algo . Take away, or move to the end?
fantasai: Line boxes do not affect ordering of the content.
… That is the bidi algo, as specificed in writing mode spec.
r12a: I'm not sure the parenthetical must be replaced, but
maybe moved to the end.
fantasai: Two seperate concepts. line box direction is
different form paragraph direction.
… Two bullet points define what the line box direction is.
r12a: The 2nd bullet says [sound fading]
… Maybe I should write it up...
r12a reading the spec text.
fantasai: The algo is all defined in CSS Writing Mode. Line box
direction is independent and does not affect text order.
… The parenthetical is a reminder that they can be different,
which is not obvious.
… I could make it a Note. But having the cross-reference is
useful.
… Because people are going to be confused.
r12a: Maybe I'll write something else, or maybe I'll leave
it...
fantasai: We can also talk together outside the call.
Summary of action items
1. [38]addison: propose text for a stock health warning about
selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in
spec-dev
2. [39]addison: notify completion of DOM review
3. [40]addison: update css-text review request to note
completion
4. [41]richard: study css 3775 for future action
Received on Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:33:32 UTC