[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2020-12-03


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            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

03 Dec 2020


       [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Nov/0017.html


           addison, Fuqiao, Felix, Atsushi, fsasaki, Richard, Bert,
           JcK, fantasai


           Addison Phillips



      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Agenda
          2. [5]Action Items
          3. [6]Info Share
          4. [7]Radar
          5. [8]WAI-ARIA 1.2 review
          6. [9]Charmod case folding example
          7. [10]WAI-ARIA 1.2 review
          8. [11]CSS3 Text
          9. [12]AOB?
      * [13]Summary of Action Items
      * [14]Summary of Resolutions

    <agendabot> Sorry, I did not find an agenda.

    trackbot, prepare teleconference

    <agendabot> addison, sorry, I did not recognize any agenda in

      [15] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Nov/0017.html


Action Items


      [16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open


    <trackbot> action-974 -- Addison Phillips to Produce additional
    text in charmod-norm with worked example of canonical casefold
    matching -- due 2020-11-19 -- OPEN


      [17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/974


    <trackbot> action-976 -- Addison Phillips to Ask wai for more
    time on wai-aria 1.2 -- due 2020-11-26 -- OPEN


      [18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/976

    close action-976

    <trackbot> Closed action-976.


    <trackbot> action-978 -- Addison Phillips to Create issues on
    specdev from issue 989 -- due 2020-11-26 -- OPEN


      [19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/978

    close action-978

    <trackbot> Closed action-978.


    <trackbot> action-979 -- Addison Phillips to Forward webauthn
    2.0 comments -- due 2020-11-26 -- OPEN


      [20] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/979

    close action-979

    <trackbot> Closed action-979.

Info Share

    richard: restarted writing article that talks about how
    conjuncts happen in indic scripts
    ... and how that complicates handling grapheme clusters

    addison: the webauthn string handling section touched this

    richard: truncation... thinking about articles or even charmod



      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1


    richard: raised a small issue and one other
    ... fantasai did an edit but don't understand how it works now
    ... line boxes having a direction that doesn't affect directio
    of the text
    ... don't understand
    ... other place says there's a place that says otherwise
    ... might be to do with alignment of the text

    it's [22]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759

    richard: might need another term
    ... someone else can have a look?

    addison: deep review or just soe edits?

    richard: no issue with additions since april

    addison: open issues?

    <xfq> Open tracker issues:

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/s:css-text

    <xfq> needs-resolution issues:

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:open+label:s:css-text+label:needs-resolution

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: review css-3 issues with xfq@

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-980 - Review css-3 issues with xfq@
    [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-12-10].

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: update css3-text review request with
    scheduling thoughts and asking for fantasai's help reviewing

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-981 - Update css3-text review request
    with scheduling thoughts and asking for fantasai's help
    reviewing opens [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-10].

WAI-ARIA 1.2 review

    <xfq> [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/91

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/91

    xfq: for DOM we have an old issue in radar under awaiting,
    should close?

    addison: yes please

Charmod case folding example

    <Bert> (The WAI ARIA attribute I mentioned now has -> issue
    #996 [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/996)

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/996

WAI-ARIA 1.2 review

    addison: worth raising with additional question richard

CSS3 Text

    <r12a> [27]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5759


      [28] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox

    richard: didn't quite get my head around inline base direction
    of the linebox
    ... if you look at defn of inline base direct
    ... it affects order of content
    ... but here it says it does NOT affect order
    ... affects alignment of line and things like that rather than
    base direction
    ... do you need a diff term? or did I not understand?

    fantasai: multiple concepts here
    ... bidi plaintext pulledout
    ... containing blocks direct
    ... line blox dir
    ... and bidi reordering
    ... could try to make these words more distinct
    ... basically, all the same thing normally

    <r12a> [29]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox

      [29] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#bidi-linebox

    fantasai: with unicode plaintext we have the concept of the
    line box, all 3 can be diff
    ... linebox indentation and alignment
    ... sized or positioned, but not the reordering of contents
    ... ordering of contents by bidi paragraph direction (I'll call
    ... that's from UBA
    ... affects neutral resolution and reorder
    ... and then there is the containing block
    ... doesnt have...

    richard: you have a containing block that contains various line
    ... and also various paragraphs if plaintext
    ... and paras can have lineboxes beccaus emultiple lines

    fantasai: line box belongs to containing block
    ... content content contains by linebox and sometimes by
    ... bidi paras split on forced linebreak


      [30] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-writing-modes-4/#inline-base-direction

    fantasai: linebox belongs to single bidi para
    ... dir of linebox is that of para in most cases
    ... if empty or no strongs then takes dir from previous linebox
    ... bidi para and line box might not then have same dir


    <fantasai> <p>The <a spec=css-writing-modes-3>start</a> and <a
    spec=css-writing-modes-3>end</a> sides of a line box

    <fantasai> are determined by the <a>inline base direction</a>
    of the line box.

    <fantasai> Although they usually match,

    <JcK> I'm going to need to drop within the next few minutes.

    <fantasai> the [=inline base direction=] of a [=line box=]

    <fantasai> is distinct from the [=inline base direction=]

    <fantasai> of the [=containing block=] or the [=bidi

    <fantasai> The [=line box=]’s [=inline base direction=] affects

    <fantasai> 'text-align-all', 'text-align-last', 'text-indent',
    and 'hanging-punctuation'--

    <fantasai> i.e. the position and alignment of its contents with
    respect to its edges.

    <fantasai> It does not affect the formatting or ordering of
    inline content

    <fantasai> (which is controlled by the Unicode bidirectional

    <fantasai> as applied by [[CSS-WRITING-MODES-3]]).


Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: update css3-text review request with
    scheduling thoughts and asking for fantasai's help reviewing
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: review css-3 issues with xfq@

Summary of Resolutions

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