- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:21:42 +0100
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
23 Apr 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Apr/0013.html
Attendees
Present
addison, fuqiao, atsushi, fsasaki, JcK
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]Status of simple-ruby
6. [9]Font fingerprinting proposals
7. [10]AOB?
* [11]Summary of Action Items
* [12]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
trackbot, prepare teleconference
<scribe> scribenick: addison
<agendabot> clear agenda
Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
richard: move to zoom?
addison: or chime :-)
[13]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-888?
<trackbot> action-888 -- Addison Phillips to Remind wg to read
font fingerprinting proposals for next telecon -- due
2020-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/888
[14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/888
close action-888
<trackbot> Closed action-888.
action-889?
<trackbot> action-889 -- Addison Phillips to Add html to review
radar, respond to xiaoqian -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/889
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/889
close action-889
<trackbot> Closed action-889.
action-891?
<trackbot> action-891 -- Addison Phillips to Forward comment in
issue 871 -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/891
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/891
close action-891
<trackbot> Closed action-891.
action-893?
<trackbot> action-893 -- Addison Phillips to Close dnt issue 62
(our 508) with a comment -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/893
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/893
close action-893
<trackbot> Closed action-893.
Info Share
xfq: in a previous meeting was actioned to add generic font
family issue to next css virtual f2f agenda
... and it was added; it will be 2 days; 29-30 april
... there are two possible time slots
<xfq> [18]https://wiki.csswg.org/planning/virtual-spring-2020
[18] https://wiki.csswg.org/planning/virtual-spring-2020
xfq: link has time slots to choose between; if you have a
preference, let me know
... I will add you to the wiki
... time slot A may be shifted 1 hour earlier, but not decided
yet
<xfq> [19]https://meet.google.com/
[19] https://meet.google.com/
xfq: meeting will use "meet"; no meeting link yet
... also saw a lot of css ruby related issues in the agenda
addison: wednesday morning better for me. others?
richard: yes, I will attend if time slot A
<scribe> ACTION: xfq: request a slot in time slot A of CSS
virtual f2f for discussing generic font families
<trackbot> Created ACTION-894 - Request a slot in time slot a
of css virtual f2f for discussing generic font families [on
Fuqiao Xue - due 2020-04-30].
richard: discussion about nordic languages
... so in prep to reply, it occured to me that there is not a
place to find out what's involved
<r12a>
[20]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/guidelines/le-participa
tion
[20] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/guidelines/le-participation
richard: so I wrote something
jck: very helpful
RADAR Review
[21]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
<xfq> [22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/112
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/112
addison: lgtm
[23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/884
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/884
richard: basically this is a spec that defines an API for
sharing links and text to arbitrary...
... and as soon as it says text :-)
<r12a> [24]https://www.w3.org/TR/web-share/
[24] https://www.w3.org/TR/web-share/
<r12a> [25]https://www.w3.org/TR/web-share/#usage-examples
[25] https://www.w3.org/TR/web-share/#usage-examples
richard: look at section 1
... has a title and something that has a URL but potentially
text
... no language and direction; lang and dir of title/text can
be different
... open to problems
Status of simple-ruby
[26]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020A
pr/0014.html
[26] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Apr/0014.html
atsushi: short summary is that in final review for updated
draft
... we think all suggestions are in final draft
... hope to proceed to PR and translations shortly
richard: is florian planning to do the translations any time
soon? (conflict with css)
atsushi: need to talk to him
<florian> (in another meeting, but noticed my name. Which
translation are we talking about?)
simple ruby
<xfq> simple-ruby
<xfq>
[27]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2
020AprJun/0103.html
[27] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2020AprJun/0103.html
richard: is there a url for the japanese version of the latest?
<florian> confused. that's translated already, so I must have
missed (or forgotten) something. Need to pay attention to my
other meeting now, but please assume I forgot the thing you're
waiting on me for, so an email would be appreciated
<xfq> florian, see link above
<atsushi>
[28]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2
020AprJun/0103.html
[28] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2020AprJun/0103.html
atsushi: for now it is in email only
<xfq> this is a new version from Kobayashi-sensei
<r12a>
[29]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2
020AprJun/att-0103/_____________________5_4.pdf
[29] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2020AprJun/att-0103/_____________________5_4.pdf
Font fingerprinting proposals
richard: concerned about the impact on minority scripts and m-l
docs
[30]https://github.com/w3cping/font-anti-fingerprinting
[31]https://github.com/w3cping/font-fp-protection-browser-hinti
ng [32]https://github.com/tabatkins/proposal-local-font-access
[30] https://github.com/w3cping/font-anti-fingerprinting
[31] https://github.com/w3cping/font-fp-protection-browser-hinting
[32] https://github.com/tabatkins/proposal-local-font-access
richard: 3 proposals here
... one is really problematic, for example browsers only allow
pre-installed in font-face and such, asserting safari currently
does this
... we would want to suggest the opposite
... one from pete snyder
... one issue here is that people can fingerprint you from the
fonts installed in your system
... and you might have diff fonts from other people
... so we allow you to set up a set of fonts in ui...
... so this is maybe worse?
... neither does what I thought was best approach; they all
attempt to establish lists by looking at fonts out there
... and then centrally manage the lists of what's available
... perhaps safe way would be like cookie pop-up that says
"this site will expose fonts on your system" and could be
site-by-site
... and fp people rely on many many fonts
... if it were super noisy that would make harder
... a bunch of stuff about locale being important; they are
thinking about host operating evnrioment locale
... disconnect is that want to decide based on the language of
text not the user
... 3rd from tab atkins
... can add markup to page that triggers UI for the user
... relies on good will of page author nor address large
installed base of pages
... for every page, for text files, etc.
... worried about lists by locale.
... latin script has loads and loads of them
... if you're dealing with font such as the SIL fonts
xfq: tab's proposal is origin based?
... maybe not every page of a website needs this? just for a
site and user uses to configure this?
addison: how prevalent is this a problem
... maybe warn after 10 local fonts in a single page?
richard: a bad actor might track particular language family
users by looking for a small list of specific fonts
addison: how do we talk to them?
<xfq> [33]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4055
[33] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4055
xfq: think it is in 4055
<scribe> ACTION: addison: respond to issue 4055 with I18N WG
response about font fp asking justificiation and adding various
discussion points made in telecon
<trackbot> Created ACTION-895 - Respond to issue 4055 with i18n
wg response about font fp asking justificiation and adding
various discussion points made in telecon [on Addison Phillips
- due 2020-04-30].
<xfq> [34]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4497
[34] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4497
addison: I'll look at that one too
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: respond to issue 4055 with I18N WG
response about font fp asking justificiation and adding various
discussion points made in telecon
[NEW] ACTION: xfq: request a slot in time slot A of CSS virtual
f2f for discussing generic font families
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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