[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2018-12-13

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            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

13 Dec 2018

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2018Dec/0011.html

Attendees

    Present
           addison, andrewc, richard, atsushi, xfq, David, JcK

    Regrets

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           addison

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
          2. [5]Action Items
          3. [6]Info Share
          4. [7]RADAR and Active Work Review
          5. [8]WPUB issue 354
          6. [9]Review CSS-Text
          7. [10]AOB?
      * [11]Summary of Action Items
      * [12]Summary of Resolutions
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    Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

    [13]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    action-767?

    <trackbot> action-767 -- Richard Ishida to Change the date used
    in the member page for the meeting info -- due 2018-12-13 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/767

      [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/767

    close action-767

    <trackbot> Closed action-767.

Info Share

RADAR and Active Work Review

    [15]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

    [16]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

      [16] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: review css-text-3 comments for
    closure opportunities

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-768 - Review css-text-3 comments for
    closure opportunities [on Addison Phillips - due 2018-12-20].

    [17]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

      [17] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

    richard: discused with Katy about article redesign this week
    ... updated tests about styling, did results page a bit
    differently

    <r12a>
    [18]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-text-shaping

      [18] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-text-shaping

    richard: wrote more like article
    ... what do you think/

WPUB issue 354

    [19]https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/354

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/354

    (intro)

    richard: wrote something up

    <r12a>
    [20]https://w3c.github.io/wpub/#manifest-default-language-and-d
    ir

      [20] https://w3c.github.io/wpub/#manifest-default-language-and-dir

    richard: they define a way to define a language and direction
    for a whole collection
    ... if data from another place, needs its own lang/dir
    ... confusing language metadata with language information for a
    particular string, maybe?

    addison: way to say "this whole 'book' is in a language/dir"

    andrewc: 3 ways of describing language
    ... language of object/metadata, language of book, langauge of
    string
    ... you'll see multiple language, including transliterations

    addison: in metadata, manifest

    richard: we make those distinctions in our article

    <r12a>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-http-and-lang
    .en#metadata

      [21] 
https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-http-and-lang.en#metadata

    addison: working on the string level, can declare lang but not
    dir, we see as a problem
    ... a 'dir' attribute wouldn't be associated in a generic RDF
    processor with the object's direction
    ... but who uses a generic RDF processor, lacks business logic?

    richard: they say definition of 'auto' is "first strong", but
    may not be if surrounded by isolate controls
    ... further down, once base direction is identified... etc...
    ... should say "first strong should be determiend according to
    UBA"
    ... doesn't take markup into account either

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: write back to Ivan and WPUB stating
    our position and asking for clarification for why they can't
    accommodte it; also mention FSI issues

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-769 - Write back to ivan and wpub
    stating our position and asking for clarification for why they
    can't accommodte it; also mention si issues [on Addison
    Phillips - due 2018-12-20].

Review CSS-Text

    <r12a> [22]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/698

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/698

    richard: propose to close, what causes cursive joining to break
    ... if you for example highlight an arabic letter in a word and
    put a span around it
    ... conclusion is what is currently in the spec text

    <r12a> [23]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text/#boundary-shaping

      [23] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text/#boundary-shaping

    richard: if margin, vertical align, or isolating, breaks
    ... if you set direction or font style, don't break joining
    (unless it's something weird, like trying to color part of a
    ligature)
    ... everything else should continue

    najib: want to go back to cursive joining. if you want an image
    instead of letter inside word. should it be taken into account
    by spec?

    richard: can't assume alway a join?

    addison: should shape, right?

    najib: is this a feature of the spec or not?
    ... if you try with an image in html, falls into inline element
    with no border or padding, so according to spec it should join

    richard: another discussion is about drop caps
    ... some say big letter should have joining form
    ... and maybe second letter
    ... that's a different situation fro what's described here
    ... probably should mention it?
    ... raise issue?

    addison: raise new issue and close other
    ... any objection to closing other?

    richard: tracker links to either our issues list or to theirs

AOB?

    <scribe> scribenick: addison

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: review css-text-3 comments for closure
    opportunities
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: write back to Ivan and WPUB stating our
    position and asking for clarification for why they can't
    accommodte it; also mention FSI issues

Summary of Resolutions

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