- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 17:16:16 +0100
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https://www.w3.org/2018/08/09-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
09 Aug 2018
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2018Aug/0004.html
Attendees
Present
David, addison, xfq, r12a, stpeter
Regrets
JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [8]Publish line break article
6. [9]Length Limits in Specdev
7. [10]AOB?
* [11]Summary of Action Items
* [12]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
[13]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-729?
<trackbot> action-729 -- Richard Ishida to And fantasai to
write an article on ltr scripts historically written rtl -- due
2018-06-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/729
[14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/729
close action-729
<trackbot> Closed action-729.
action-741?
<trackbot> action-741 -- Addison Phillips to Reply to
verifiable claims wgs request -- due 2018-08-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/741
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/741
close action-741
<trackbot> Closed action-741.
action-742?
<trackbot> action-742 -- Richard Ishida to Look at merging
specdev definitions with definitions-characters article -- due
2018-08-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/742
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/742
richard: in the middle
Info Share
<scribe> ACTION: addison: set up agenda for tpac
<trackbot> Created ACTION-743 - Set up agenda for tpac [on
Addison Phillips - due 2018-08-16].
RADAR and Active Work Review
[17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[18]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[18] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
richard: was sent a doc in word on mongolian
... wrote back to them, but limited English
... joined team call in beihang this week
... xfq following up
... bit of movement on india, next meeting tomorrow
... dev support
<r12a> [19]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2982
[19] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2982
richard: raised issue on paged media
... link above
... education and outreach
... preparing talk slides
... going to speak at workshop on manga in JP for 15 minutes
... intro what we're doing esp. on lang enabling
... then the unicode conference
... and 15 minutes at tpac
... extend the slides for joint presentation with addison
... and speaking at parisweb
[20]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[20] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
Publish line break article
richard:
[21]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/linebr
eak.en
... think comments have dried up so done with this and would
like to publish
... any objections?
[21] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/linebreak.en
addison: all in favor indicate +1/0/-1 in irc
+1
<r12a> +1
<r12a>
[22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3
Aclosed
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues?q=is:issue+is:closed
<xfq> +1
<stpeter> +1
<David> +1
so resolved
richard: will move on to q element
Length Limits in Specdev
[23]https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev
[23] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev
richard: first a pull request
<r12a> [24]https://github.com/r12a/bp-i18n-specdev/
[24] https://github.com/r12a/bp-i18n-specdev/
[25]https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/29/commits/2fd7
2988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0
[25]
https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/29/commits/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0
<xfq>
[26]https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e45
35edf9073571d097bca0/index.html
[26]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0/index.html
<r12a>
[27]https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-chara
cters/index
[27]
https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-characters/index
richard: can we accept this PR?
addison: I think so
richard: in definitions-characters
... need to add a new section
... will send in due course
<r12a> [28]https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/issues/28
[28] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/issues/28
[29]https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e45
35edf9073571d097bca0/index.html#characters
[29]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0/index.html#characters
<David> R12a: The issues are numbered... The 3rd one conflates
grapheme and user-perceived character
<David> Addison: Was written quickly and the variation between
terms is not often relevant.
<David> R12a: Will write more. Glyph and user percieved
grapheme is the same to a viewer.
<David> Addison: The challenge is to introduce extended
grapheme cluster concept, in the article.
<David> R12a: will not define Grapheme. Glyph is used
interchaneably
<David> R12a: Different glyphs can represent the same user
perceived character
<David> ... there may be multiple glyphs (defined shape in
font) to multiple graphemes
<David> Addison: compressing Grapheme cluster to grapheme, in
order to simplify for the readed.
<David> Addison: There is a progression from elements to
displayed characters
<David> R12a: Section 5. Tautology in describing user perceived
characters
<David> Addison: Yes, but there is more needed to clarify
<David> R12a: Multiple glyphs may represent a single user
perceived character
<David> Addison: Moving from theoretical to visuals perceived.
<David> R12a: Need to mention CSS "Typographic character unit"
it is indivisible for operations on the text.
<r12a> It is standard to backwards delete codepoints, but to
forward delete grapheme clusters.
<David> R12a: This needs to be tied to the other terms
<David> R12a: number 7
<David> Addison: not quite correct that you can't cursor into
grapheme clusters.
<David> R12a: Complex scripts do require partial replacement
inside clusters for syllables on errors.
<David> R12a: would like to move back one and delete, then
replace inside the character
<David> Addison: Not appropriate for emoji and some selection
cases.
<David> ... might work better with Typographic character unit
instead of grapheme cluster
<David> R12a: section 8
<David> Addison: this is area is full of jargon that make it
difficult for most people to understand
<David> ... We need to take care to repurpose grapheme, and
this is a specification so needs precision
<David> ... TPU is not completely clear
<David> stpeter: agree with R12a's target audience
<David> Addison: We need to refine the set to the required
usage, only, rather than fully detailed as e.g. CSS require
[30]https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e45
35edf9073571d097bca0/index.html#char_truncation
[30]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0/index.html#char_truncation
<David> Addison: Is really working with the truncation issue
and these terms need to be used meaningfully.
<David> R12a: Will rewrite the article and check with Addison.
<David> Addison: agreed
<David> Addison: We need to choose script for examples. In
example 5: to demonstrate that length limits
<David> Addison: Using byte length limits decrease the number
of available characters as you go up in unicode code-points
<David> Addison: Will refine Cyrilic/Chinese script examples
<David> ... Emoji are the best 4 byte example
<David> R12a: complex scripts with combining characters reduce
the size from bytes radically
[31]http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
[31] http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
<David> Addison: Has done edits on charmod
<David> ...new case folding and terminology content
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: set up agenda for tpac
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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