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- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:11:04 +0100
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
19 Apr 2018
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2018Apr/0009.html
Attendees
Present
addison, Katy, Richard, JcK, David
Regrets
Peter, Saint-Andre
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]New article, first draft: Using the q element
2. [5]CharmodNorm
3. [6]New article, first draft: Using the q element
4. [7]Approaches to Line Breaking
5. [8]TPAC
6. [9]AOB?
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
trackbot, prepare teleconference
New article, first draft: Using the q element
CharmodNorm
New article, first draft: Using the q element
<r12a>
[12]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-the-q-element
.en
[12] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-the-q-element.en
(discussion of article, richard's evolving understanding,
quoting japanese)
richard: read the article
... also note that the HTML spec has changed to say
... quotes for html tag only
... whatwg spec not yet changed
... shape of quotes depends on lang of quotation
... which is wrong
katy: when working with bilingual text
... if you have several paras of say myanmar
... writing system not accomodating of latin script quote marks
... what's the impact?
richard: leave quotes as original and probably a good example
... quoting a long block
... might put in
... set up styling for quotes within text that is burmese
... have to do that as well if you have a multilingual page
... because can't put both langs in HTML tag
... w3c spec only recognizes that
... if you had one sentence of Burmese, then quotes would be
English
... if you didn't do that. would have to use q tag
... if it had Burmese quote marks, nothing changes
addison: (joking) short answer is don't use q
richard: no, use q in a monolingual doc
... but have special considerations in multiling
<r12a> [13]https://w3c.github.io/html/rendering.html#quotes
[13] https://w3c.github.io/html/rendering.html#quotes
richard: fact w3c/whatwg spec are different creates a problem
for testing
... used to have tests that tested according to whatwg
... I want to change to w3c spec
<r12a>
[14]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/the-q-element.html
[14] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/the-q-element.html
<r12a>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/the-q-e
lement.en.html
[15]
https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/the-q-element.en.html
richard: second link according to whatwg
... w3c also have some for gap analysis
... such as amharic
addison: why not use w3c spec since expect whatwg to change
... shouldn't we push whatwg?
... how?
richard: will look into it
Approaches to Line Breaking
<r12a>
[16]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/linebr
eak.en
[16] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/linebreak.en
richard: added text based on florian's comments
... also weakened table
... so "khmer does x and balinese does y"
... generally khmer does break on words, but putting out
tentacles
... getting feedback
... can break on syllable boundaries as well for example
... can find this way or this way, here are some example
scripts
... still looking for on-the-ground knowledge
katy: read, seems to make sense
action-705?
<trackbot> action-705 -- Richard Ishida to Ask unicore list
about southeast asian line breaking -- due 2018-04-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/705
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/705
richard: Martin Hosken replied
... but didn't give me specific info
close action-705
<trackbot> Closed action-705.
addison: ask more publicly?
richard: will if someone knows here
katy: looking for people who can give confirmation?
richard: yep
... particularly for cham, sudanese, batik
... had conversations about lao, khmer, think we're pretty safe
there
david: possibly Andrew Cunningham?
richard: he's been reaching out to people
katy: in touch with (someone)
... consults in Indic and a range of scripts, can send list/bio
richard: related to this
... been talking to a guy from cambodia and a guy from laos
... and someone from thailand
... and came across another person who joined IIP
... like to start catching these people and tying into network
... discussed briefly
... setting up task force for south east asian
... too scared/busy to commit to enterprise of making multiple
docs
... want to be able to find them
... can be useful, they'd get notified on things to contrib
... if they do make contribs, covers IPR
... so set up SEA layout repo
... asking questions in issues
... maybe I'll note down things into gap analysis docs
addison: seems sensible
<scribe> ACTION: richard: set up southeast asian task force and
corresponding repo
<trackbot> Created ACTION-708 - Set up southeast asian task
force and corresponding repo [on Richard Ishida - due
2018-04-26].
richard: will miss regular meetings, editors, and chairs
addison: if ones turned up, wouldn't cry
richard: all of SEA including myanmar except vietnam
... including what unciode calls indonesia and oceania
... may write article on my own
... info share: upgrading my pickers
... going back to sea stuff at moment
... improving UI
... adding transliteration and reverse translit
... so could go e.g. javanese->latin and vice versa
... and standard keyboard layout
... go have a look if you use them
... and a new picker for Shan
TPAC
richard: addison you got us a room
... it's in Lyon
... think about registering
addison: notes that richard said something about TPAC
richard: TPAC is the one time in the year when many WGs get
together and have F2F meetings
... chance for people for people from one WG to meet folks in
others
... marvelous for us
... often go out of our room and assault the others
<r12a> [18]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2018
[18] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2018
TPAC 2018 takes place at Cité Centre des Congrès de Lyon,
France from Monday 22 October until 26 October 2018
<David> [19]https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html
[19] https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html
AOB?
richard: Info Share
... I18N WG and I18N IG and ITS IG have been extended by a
further 6 months
... recharter in September
addison: should think about other deliverables
richard: only need REC track docs
addison: have generally published NOTES even for semi-normative
things
richard: long may that continue
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: richard: set up southeast asian task force and
corresponding repo
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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