- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:28:53 +0100
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
https://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
28 Sep 2017
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0013.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
addison, David, JcK, Bert, r12a, David_, andrewc
Regrets
Steven
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Radar
5. [9]Websub content negotiation
6. [10]Review Pending and Close issues (continued)
7. [11]UTR 53 Unicode Arabic Mark Ordering Algorithm
* [12]Summary of Action Items
* [13]Summary of Resolutions
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
Note Well: new dial-in info
[14]https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
[14] https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
<r12a> Previous meeting minutes:
[15]https://www.w3.org/2017/09/21-i18n-minutes.html
[15] https://www.w3.org/2017/09/21-i18n-minutes.html
Agenda
Action Items
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-618?
<trackbot> action-618 -- Richard Ishida to Create a short
document about making direction default recommendation to be
'auto' and send to www-international@ for review -- due
2017-08-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/618
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/618
close action-618
<trackbot> Closed action-618.
action-652?
<trackbot> action-652 -- Addison Phillips to Ensure that our
tpac av request is filed -- due 2017-09-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/652
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/652
close action-652
<trackbot> Closed action-652.
action-655?
<trackbot> action-655 -- Richard Ishida to Send pending issues
agreed during call, and close issues agreed during call; and
send out new list for discussion next week -- due 2017-09-28 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/655
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/655
close action-655
<trackbot> Closed action-655.
Info Share
Radar
[20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[21]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[21] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
richard: education, possibility of developing a course in i18n,
arabic in html/css
Websub content negotiation
[22]https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/124
[22] https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/124
<r12a> [23]https://w3c.github.io/websub/#content-negotiation
[23] https://w3c.github.io/websub/#content-negotiation
(discussion)
<scribe> ACTION: richard: notify Websub we are satisfied with
124 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-656 - Notify websub we are satisfied
with 124 [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
Review Pending and Close issues (continued)
<r12a> [25]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[25] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<r12a> [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/387
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/387
<scribe> ACTION: richard: contact fantasai about issue 387
inviting summary of current status of text-emphasis-position
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-657 - Contact fantasai about issue
387 inviting summary of current status of
text-emphasis-position [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
[28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/23
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/23
richard: almost closeable
... spec implied one emphasis mark per character
... meaning Unicode codepoint perhaps
... spec updated to mean text unit
... which is tailored grapheme cluster
no object to original comment
richard: just close?
close
[29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/389
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/389
<r12a> [30]https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/issues/9
[30] https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/issues/9
addison: emphasis marks too?
[31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388
add 388 to the action item
[32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385
[32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385
in vertical ja, marks/underline on right, in zh, on left
scribe: what happens when ja embedded in zh or vice versa
richard: also question about whether Korean uses emphasis
marks, raised a question
... seen in horizontal text
... raised question
[33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/395
[33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/395
<r12a> [34]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288
[34] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288
<r12a> JcK: this could also be an issue in Latin, eg. what
happens in 'gij' ?
<r12a> andrew: you need to ensure that it doesn't clash with
latin characters with dot below or macron below
<r12a> ACTION: Richard to look for latin text with dot or
macron below that could cause problems for underline [recorded
in [35]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03
<trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Look for latin text with dot or
macron below that could cause problems for underline [on
Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
<r12a> ACTION: Richard de-pend all the css-text-decor issues
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04
<trackbot> Created ACTION-659 - De-pend all the css-text-decor
issues [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
UTR 53 Unicode Arabic Mark Ordering Algorithm
[37]http://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
[37] http://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
[38]http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr53/tr53-1.pdf
[38] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr53/tr53-1.pdf
<r12a>
[39]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is
%3Aopen+label%3Autr53
[39]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:utr53
richard: if you look at page 7
... example 2a and 2b
... sukun under seen
... problem is to get order to stay same
... if normalized, you get 2b (always)
... messed up original numbering for normalization
... trying to address
... means is an additional bit of normalization just for arabic
... but could spread to other scripts
... re-orders things that are borken
... in order to place in either order, you should use a CGJ
... as soon as you run NFC/NFD on this, you will break one
... then reapply arabic only algorithm
addison: don't want to change the normalization itself?
richard: stability says can't change
... big worry is go back to all specs that deal with
normalization
addison: a new normalization form :-(
richard: add rules to normalization, additional decision point
since only arabic
andrewc: myanmar script, order of code points different from
normalization
richard: have a look at what I wrote
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Richard de-pend all the css-text-decor issues
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to look for latin text with dot or macron
below that could cause problems for underline [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: contact fantasai about issue 387
inviting summary of current status of text-emphasis-position
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: notify Websub we are satisfied with 124
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04
[41] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03
[42] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02
[43] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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