[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2017-01-26

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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

26 Jan 2017

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jan/0009.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           r12a, Addison, Steve, Koji, JohnO, David, jck,
           Najib(IRC)

    Regrets
           Felix

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           Addison Phillips

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]Radar and Active Work Review
          5. [9]CSS WG proposal to ignore line-height: normal when
             rhythmic sizing is enabled
          6. [10]Github repo activity digest
          7. [11]International text layout and typography index
          8. [12]For internal review: Styling vertical Chinese,
             Japanese, Korean and Mongolian text
          9. [13]Definition of String in WHATWG
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      * [15]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

Agenda

Action Items

    [16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    action-580?

    <trackbot> action-580 -- Richard Ishida to Set up two repos for
    felix's documents from its for final publication as note -- due
    2017-01-26 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/580

      [17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/580

    close action-580

    <trackbot> Closed action-580.

Info Share

Radar and Active Work Review

    [18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

    <r12a>
    [19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2017Jan
    Mar/0012.html

      [19] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2017JanMar/0012.html

    richard: jumped into ttml2, jumped straight into ruby section
    ... so if you look elsewhere........
    ... many issues in ruby

    <r12a>

    <r12a> The horizontal review should focus only on the new
    features

    <r12a> introduced in TTML2.

    <r12a> Please refer to the section for changes between Timed
    Text Markup Language (TTML) Version 1 (TTML1) and Version 2
    (TTML2).

    <r12a>
    [20]https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-ttml2-20161117/#changes-from-
    ttml1-vocabulary

      [20] 
https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-ttml2-20161117/#changes-from-ttml1-vocabulary

    <r12a> ]]

    addison: please volunteer on the member list for sections as
    you review them

    [21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017J
    an/0017.html

      [21] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jan/0017.html

CSS WG proposal to ignore line-height: normal when rhythmic sizing is
enabled

    [22]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/938

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/938

    koji: proposal from florian to change line-height:normal
    ... would lose ability to set line height based on font metrics
    ... may affect some languages/fonts that have very tall scripts
    ... proposal is to make line-height:normal to be line-height:1
    ... there are some scripts that stack vertically or are very
    tall

    (citings of Tibetan, Myanmar, Arabic)

    scribe: when set to a number, it depends on font
    ... normal uses font metrics not the font
    ... so line to line spacing can be different
    ... florians proposal is to avoid font metrics based line
    height because Latin font users have bad experience
    ... do non-latin script rely more on normal/font metrics than
    others??

    normal is default

    lines never overlap as a result, but leading inconsistent

    if glyphs too tall, lines overlap, when you use numbers

    <r12a> نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C
    نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C
    རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན།
    W3C རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C
    རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C

    richard: trying quickly, Tibetan and Arabic break if
    line-height:1

    mixed script produces better results when it can adjust

    richard: there are text examples at following link
    ... might be useful

    <r12a> [23]http://r12a.github.io/scripts/phrases

      [23] http://r12a.github.io/scripts/phrases

    koji: can prepare response using these samples
    ... will bring back if not easy to conclude

Github repo activity digest

    richard: sent some emails about this
    ... more I thought that this is useful
    ... suggesting that we hit www-international issue when an
    issue is created
    ... or if we raised on someone's repo and it gets the i18n
    label
    ... and winter when they close
    ... but no information flowing
    ... that is useful in keeping traffic down
    ... but also means that they get notifications that they might
    not care about
    ... have to subscribe to the issue itself
    ... also folks reply by email rather than github, creating
    threading problems
    ... so propose to send digest saying effectively: here are the
    new issues, the closed issues, and the ones with traffic
    ... thinking daily digest
    ... two or more digest is possible

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: send note to www-international
    announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests
    [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

      [24] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-584 - Send note to www-international
    announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests
    [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-02].

International text layout and typography index

    <r12a> [25]http://w3c.github.io/typography/

      [25] http://w3c.github.io/typography/

    <r12a>
    [26]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justi
    fication.en

      [26] 
https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en

    richard: suggesting we take the differently formatted material
    on justification and put in another place

    <najib> +1

    addison: +1

    no objections noted

    <david> +1

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: move the justification materials to
    separate article and point to it from typography document
    [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

      [27] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-585 - Move the justification
    materials to separate article and point to it from typography
    document [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-02].

For internal review: Styling vertical Chinese, Japanese, Korean and
Mongolian text

    <r12a>
    [28]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/vertical-text.en

      [28] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/vertical-text.en

    richard: updated a bit
    ... new section on "default character orientation"
    ... some small changes and a few more comments to deal with

Definition of String in WHATWG

    [29]https://github.com/whatwg/infra/issues/1

      [29] https://github.com/whatwg/infra/issues/1

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: summarize whatwg string definition
    and recommend changes if needed [recorded in
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

      [30] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-586 - Summarize whatwg string
    definition and recommend changes if needed [on Addison Phillips
    - due 2017-02-02].

    <r12a>

    <r12a> Code Point. (1) Any value in the Unicode codespace; that
    is, the range of integers from 0 to 10FFFF16. (See definition
    D10 in Section 3.4, Characters and Encoding.) Not all code
    points are assigned to encoded characters. See code point type.
    (2) A value, or position, for a character, in any coded
    character set.

    <r12a> ]]

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: summarize whatwg string definition and
    recommend changes if needed [recorded in
    [31]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: move the justification materials to
    separate article and point to it from typography document
    [recorded in
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: send note to www-international
    announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests
    [recorded in
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

      [31] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action03
      [32] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02
      [33] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01

Summary of Resolutions

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