[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2017-05-25

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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

25 May 2017

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017May/0029.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           addison, andrewc, r12a, JohnOC, John, O'Conner, JcK

    Regrets
           Steven

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           addison

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]Reviews
          5. [9]IMSC pending comments
          6. [10]HTML 5.2 and EAI
          7. [11]AOB?
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
      * [13]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

    <scribe> ScribeNick: addison

    [14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/96

      [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/96

    [aphillip]: add this issue to HTML5 bug 11579

    <r12a> [15]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11579

      [15] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11579

    <r12a> [16]https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881

    [17]https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84a
    a09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05

      [17] 
https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84aa09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05

    <r12a> [18]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845

Agenda

Action Items

    [19]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    action-552?

    <trackbot> action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to TAG about
    potential for a serialization form for natural language strings
    to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [20]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552

      [20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552

    close action-552

    <trackbot> Closed action-552.

    action-612?

    <trackbot> action-612 -- Addison Phillips to Create a bidi/lang
    recommendations document in order to go to tag -- due
    2017-04-27 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [21]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/612

      [21] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/612

    close action-612

    <trackbot> Closed action-612.

    action-615?

    <trackbot> action-615 -- Addison Phillips to Finalize floating
    time article for publication -- due 2017-05-04 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [22]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/615

      [22] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/615

    action-616?

    <trackbot> action-616 -- Addison Phillips to Update unicode-xml
    to indicate current status -- due 2017-05-11 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [23]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616

      [23] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616

    action-616

    <trackbot> action-616 -- Addison Phillips to Update unicode-xml
    to indicate current status -- due 2017-05-11 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [24]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616

      [24] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/616

    close action-616

    <trackbot> Closed action-616.

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: check unicode-xml publication via
    echidna [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

      [25] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-620 - Check unicode-xml publication
    via echidna [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-06-01].

    action-619?

    <trackbot> action-619 -- Addison Phillips to Notify html that
    we completed 5.2 and don't have comments -- due 2017-05-25 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [26]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/619

      [26] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/619

    close action-619

    <trackbot> Closed action-619.

Info Share

Reviews

    [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

    [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects

    [29]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

      [29] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

    richard: curious about hebrew progress

    <r12a>
    [30]https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/native-
    user-interfaces#windowheader

      [30] 
https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/native-user-interfaces#windowheader

    richard: page title tests
    ... if you apply dir to a title element
    ... does that get carried over in the tab or whatever
    ... FF swapped behavior
    ... issue raised on whatwg list
    ... why don't we just use first strong
    ... because that's what browsers do just now
    ... trying to explain the issues

    addison: let's write code to sniff it when we have the
    information right there in the document // irony

    <r12a> [31]https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2648

      [31] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2648

    richard: that's the whatwg issue

    <r12a> [32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/416

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/416

    richard: thats our tracker issue

IMSC pending comments

    <r12a> [33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413

      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413

    addison: I'd take out "as specified in"

    <r12a> [34]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/415

      [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/415

    <JohnO> must drop out now for another mtg. apologies.

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: file additional issue on imsc related
    to font selection and "recommended character sets" section
    [recorded in
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

      [35] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-621 - File additional issue on imsc
    related to font selection and "recommended character sets"
    section [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-01].

HTML 5.2 and EAI

    <r12a> [36]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/538

      [36] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/538

    <r12a> [37]https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881

      [37] https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881

    [38]https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84a
    a09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05

      [38] 
https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/881/commits/d54c6b94c0d84aa09dac5fed3c1e7b075d46ee05

    jck: EAI says the localpart must be UTF-8
    ... and unencoded by punycode
    ... the domain part is expected to be in UTF-8, although
    punycode cannot be prevented
    ... if I'm running an email system and use xn-- in a name,
    nothing stops that

    richard: html says "left hand side we'll do later"
    ... and save/accept as IDN

    jck: probably a bad idea for a technical reason
    ... there are two small vendors who have extensive DNS stuff
    for local use (distinct from public)
    ... there is an RFC, conversion to A-labels are as close to DNS
    lookup as possible
    ... that would be irrelevant if the companies were not AAPL and
    MSFT

    richard: remember in 2014
    ... there was an email system in KSA
    ... which was entirely in Arabic, so this wouldn't help them

    jck: there are deployed EAI systems in Russia, India
    ... China
    ... non-ascii localparts
    ... which could be just a few people

    <r12a> [39]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845

      [39] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845

    addison: one reason this didn't go in html50 was that much of
    the Web expects ascii-based email forms

    jck: IDNA2008 is completely reversible
    ... but not utr46
    ... if they do conversion on left hand part, breaks smtp

AOB?

    <Klensin> FWIW, the RFC that describes thjat Apple/Microsoft
    local use of non-IDNA, none=ASCII IDNs is RFC 6055

    <r12a> ok, chaals, i'll ask addison to create a summary

    <Klensin> If I'm copied on the summary I may be able to fill in
    any needed additional details.

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: file additional issue on imsc related to
    font selection and "recommended character sets" section
    [recorded in
    [40]http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: check unicode-xml publication via
    echidna [recorded in
    [41]http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

      [40] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02
      [41] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01

Summary of Resolutions

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