[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2017-04-06

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            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

06 Apr 2017

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Steven, Richard, Jan Nelson, JcK, Fantasai,
           r12a

    Regrets
    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           addison

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Agenda
          2. [5]Action Items
          3. [6]Info Share
          4. [7]Radar
          5. [8]Encoding commits
          6. [9]Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec
          7. [10]Closing issues
          8. [11]AOB?
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
      * [13]Summary of Resolutions
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    trackbot, prepare teleconference

    <scribe> ScribeNick: addison

Agenda

Action Items

    [14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    action-607?

    <trackbot> action-607 -- Richard Ishida to Publish approaches
    to full justification as an article -- due 2017-04-06 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [15]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/607

      [15] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/607

    close action-607

    <trackbot> Closed action-607.

Info Share

    richard: w3c is working on publishing a slightly updated
    version of 4 courses
    ... css intro, html+css intro, intermed html parts I and II
    ... make suggestions on them
    ... fifth course intro to javascript
    ... will review that as well
    ... going through text decoration tests and changing them a
    fair bit
    ... need fine tuning after "mass productions"
    ... havent sent to web platform tests yet
    ... or commited them yet

    <fantasai> np, WPT just imported csswg-tests, having a week to
    settle is not bad :)

    jck: X.509 certs want to include internationalized domain names
    and emails
    ... still a work in progress
    ... URN doc has been approved and awaits pub
    ... thinking of revision of email standards like IMAP

    <r12a> JEPA talk
    [16]http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1703-jleq/

      [16] http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1703-jleq/

    <r12a> chinese version at
    [17]http://www.typeisbeautiful.com/2017/03/11613/

      [17] http://www.typeisbeautiful.com/2017/03/11613/

    richard: my talk now available
    ... see above

Radar

    [18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

    <r12a> [19]https://twitter.com/r12a/status/798151134963757056

      [19] https://twitter.com/r12a/status/798151134963757056

    richard: ARIA reviewed. No comments needed. Move to "review
    completed"

    fantasai: writing-modes is more or less done
    ... text decoration

    richard: status of text decor 3

    ?

    fantasai: need to make edits that were resolved, get feedback
    from i18n
    ... gets republished as CR

    richard: when?

    fantasai: 3 weeks??

    richard: need to request review

    fantasai: did do
    ... re-sending to www-international the list of things we need

    <fantasai>
    [20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2016
    OctDec/0145.html

      [20] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2016OctDec/0145.html

Encoding commits

    [21]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/encoding/commits

      [21] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/encoding/commits

Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec

    <r12a> [22]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/291

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/291

    richard: this is an issue about something different
    ... someone realized that rbc wasn't in html5
    ... they discussed in their f2f
    ... recommendation from chaals was remove ruby from html5!
    ... richard required smelling salts

    <fantasai> “Having read that, I cried for an hour, and then
    picked myself up off the floor and wrote back”

    richard: need something to replace it before removing it
    ... need a content model, not just syntax
    ... to also cover things like WebVTT and TTML2
    ... content model, think about things like rbc, nested syntax
    for double-sided
    ... I might argue against it
    ... it being nested
    ... that's my point of view
    ... chaals wrote back to say "just a proposal"

    (discussion ensues)

    fantasai: don't have opinion on where, only how
    ... just so long as destination is correct

    richard: don't move until you have something to replace, don't
    leave for 1.5 years with *no* ruby spec

    fantasai: can update ruby annotation with note to say "not
    being maintained"

    richard: problem is that we don't have a target to point to
    ... extension spec for html and content model for html
    ... which might keep nested
    ... but want to get to a replacement for ruby annotation spec
    ... use tabular instead of interleaved
    ... syntax for html in extension spec go look at X
    ... webvtt look at Y
    ... which they are asking about

    addison: ruby annotation 2

    richard: please don't remove ruby from html until we have
    something ready
    ... 2. if thinking of taking text out we would want to check it
    first
    ... (out meaning into another doc)
    ... 3. thinking of a ruby2 that is only a content model
    ... won't replace the extension spec
    ... 4. please indicate in ruby extension spec that it's inside
    html

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: write to chaals and HTML indicating
    our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in
    html [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

      [23] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action01

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-609 - Write to chaals and html
    indicating our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of
    ruby in html [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-04-13].

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: start working on what a new version
    or update for ruby annotation would look like [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

      [24] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action02

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-610 - Start working on what a new
    version or update for ruby annotation would look like [on
    Richard Ishida - due 2017-04-13].

Closing issues

    addison: will agendize these as closed next week if no one says
    "hey, wait a minute..."

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: write to chaals and HTML indicating our
    preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in html
    [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: start working on what a new version or
    update for ruby annotation would look like [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

      [25] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action01
      [26] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action02

Summary of Resolutions

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