[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2016-06-02

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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

02 Jun 2016

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016May/0033.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Richard, Steve_(partial), Najib

    Regrets
           Felix, JcK

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           Addison Phillips

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]HTML 5.1 Review
          5. [9]How to stop WGs following the old LC model
          6. [10]proposed deprecation: Dates and Time
          7. [11]Web Annotations (further discussion)
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
      * [13]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

Agenda

Action Items

    <aphillip_>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    <aphillip_> close action-174

    <trackbot> Closed action-174.

    <aphillip_> close action-363

    <trackbot> Closed action-363.

    <aphillip_> close action-524

    <trackbot> Closed action-524.

    <aphillip_> close action-525

    <trackbot> Closed action-525.

    <aphillip_> close action-527

    <trackbot> Closed action-527.

Info Share

    <r12a> [15]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

      [15] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

HTML 5.1 Review

    [16]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

      [16] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

    [17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/157

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/157

    steve: the introduce a term "plain unicode string"
    ... is there a difference from just a string?

    A Unicode or binary string, in some cases with a file name
    (itself a Unicode string), as per the drag data item kind.

    richard: vote to send on

    addison: +1

    [18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/158

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/158

    accesskey not validatable?

    steve: propose text

    [19]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159

    addison: think case-insensitive is wrong here

    richard: meant to say case sensitive

    [20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/160

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/160

    If the resulting value is not a recognized language tag, then
    it must be treated as an unknown language having the given
    language tag, distinct from all other languages. For the
    purposes of round-tripping or communicating with other services
    that expect language tags, user agents should pass unknown
    language tags through unmodified, and tagged as being BCP 47
    language tags, so that subsequent services do not interpret the
    data as another type of language[CUT]

    don't send 160

    [21]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/161

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/161

    hasn't changed

    not ideal situation, but based on previous disucssion, no
    change

    don't send 161

    najib: doesn't matter about case, case insensitive, right?

    addison: meant to be case insensitive

    In the current HTML5.1 spec, the input type=datetime-local
    value is back. However the floating time language is present.
    Removing datetime-local from 5.0 may not have been the best
    move, since I later learned that type was widely used on mobile
    devices. So, we have interop with Edge, and Chrome implement,
    Firefox stable does not, not sure about Safari. Seems a little
    heavy-handed now to remove it.

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: look into issue 123 and update as
    needed [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

      [22] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-528 - Look into issue 123 and update
    as needed [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-09].

    [23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/122

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/122

    forward 122

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: forward issue 122 to html [recorded
    in [24]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

      [24] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-529 - Forward issue 122 to html [on
    Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-09].

    [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/128

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/128

    [26]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/230

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/230

How to stop WGs following the old LC model

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: write to chairs@ with a note saying
    effectively "don't follow old LC model, giving us no time to
    react" [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

      [27] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-530 - Write to chairs@ with a note
    saying effectively "don't follow old lc model, giving us no
    time to react" [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-09].

    richard: 1. have a look at self-review checklist
    ... and 2. and ask for review at FPWD
    ... and 3. don't leave a small amount of time before CR

    addison: should horizontal review be a process step earlier??

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: add big orange box link for "how to
    get a review" and pointer to spec dev [recorded in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

      [28] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-531 - Add big orange box link for
    "how to get a review" and pointer to spec dev [on Richard
    Ishida - due 2016-06-09].

proposed deprecation: Dates and Time

    addison: park new terminology here?

    richard: inclined to put in a new location and put this out to
    pasture

    [29]https://www.w3.org/International/O-time

      [29] https://www.w3.org/International/O-time

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: send a note to www-international
    asking for last call on deprecation of O-time and deprecate if
    no objection [recorded in
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action05]

      [30] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-532 - Send a note to
    www-international asking for last call on deprecation of o-time
    and deprecate if no objection [on Richard Ishida - due
    2016-06-09].

Web Annotations (further discussion)

    <r12a> [31]https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/issues/227

      [31] https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/issues/227

    (after discussion) just remove bogus normalizaiton requirement
    paragraph?

    normalize to do comparisons

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: update web-annotation 227 to say that
    WG thinks the normalization requirements should be removed and
    a health warning to do normalization on comparison might be
    needed [recorded in
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action06]

      [32] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action06]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-533 - Update web-annotation 227 to
    say that wg thinks the normalization requirements should be
    removed and a health warning to do normalization on comparison
    might be needed [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-09].

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: forward issue 122 to html [recorded in
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: look into issue 123 and update as needed
    [recorded in
    [34]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: update web-annotation 227 to say that WG
    thinks the normalization requirements should be removed and a
    health warning to do normalization on comparison might be
    needed [recorded in
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: write to chairs@ with a note saying
    effectively "don't follow old LC model, giving us no time to
    react" [recorded in
    [36]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: add big orange box link for "how to get
    a review" and pointer to spec dev [recorded in
    [37]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: send a note to www-international asking
    for last call on deprecation of O-time and deprecate if no
    objection [recorded in
    [38]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action05]

      [33] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action02
      [34] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01
      [35] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action06
      [36] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action03
      [37] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action04
      [38] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-i18n-minutes.html#action05

Summary of Resolutions

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