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Fwd: 回复: [css-counter-styles] hindi = devanagari-consonant?

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 13:16:48 +0000
Message-ID: <52F4DCC0.8030603@w3.org>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, tantek@cs.stanford.edu, public-i18n-indic@w3.org
CC: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, www International <www-international@w3.org>
Chaps,

FIRST QUESTION

Any comment on whether we should rename hindi to devanagari-consonant as 
suggested below?

I'm reluctant to change it, for two reasons related to the fact that 
this list is alphabet-related:

1. there are other consonant characters in devanagari that are not 
included, but may be seen as important for some community that uses the 
devanagari script.

(Note, btw, that persian-abjad is language specific, not 
script-specific. Its equivalent would be hindi-consonant.)

2. If another language community uses the devanagari script, but with a 
slightly different set of characters, it would be better to distinguish 
their counter-style list by their language name, and that would fit well 
with calling this one hindi (which is also a language name).

So I'm currently planning to leave hindi as is.


SECOND QUESTION

Should we dispense with marathi, given that it is the same as 
devanagari, and a very different style from the one called hindi 
(numeric rather than alphabetic)?

Since there appears to be no support for marathi in implementations, 
unless I hear from someone, I plan to remove it.

http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/predefined-counter-styles/results/results-predefined-counter-styles#devanagari


I'd appreciate a prompt response, since the counter-styles spec is soon 
to move to CR, and I'd like to publish a new hearbeat Working Draft of 
the Predefined Counter Styles document to go with it.

Thanks in advance,
RI



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	回复: [css-counter-styles] The duplication of `bengali` and
`eastern-nagari` may not be necessary
Date: 	Tue, 30 Jul 2013 02:57:40 +0800
From: 	梁海 <lianghai@gmail.com>
To: 	Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
CC: 	Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>, WWW International
<www-international@w3.org>



Err, should I stop cc'ing Tab?

- - -

Well, if count on those similar to Cambodian and Khmer's — `marathi` is
a duplication to `devanagari`, also. Their relation is like English
language to Latin alphabet.

Considering the convention used in naming `persian-abjad`,
`thai-alphabetic` and `khmer-consonant` (`cambodian-consonant`) — which
is really clear and nice — the style `hindi` should be renamed to
`devanagari-consonant` also.
Languages that employ Devanagari do have different alphabet, but as far
as I know (not totally sure though), they all list their differences to
Sanskrit alphabet in the end of the alphabet list (varnamala), which
doesn't impact the basic consonant repertoire of "क…ह" used in list
item counters. And the counters "क…ह" is indeed used frequently in daily
typesetting work of any languages that use Devanagari.

Btw, sometimes only the plosive consonants are used in counters: क, ख,
ग, घ, च, छ, ज, झ, ट… I'm not sure which way ("plosive and nasal" vs
"plosive only") is usually preferred.

-- 
LIANG Hai(梁海)

在 2013年7月30日星期二,上午2:23,Richard Ishida 写道:

> Ok, thanks. I'll make more investigations.
>
> RI
>
>
>
> On 29/07/2013 19:13, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org
>> <mailto:ishida@w3.org>> wrote:
>>> There's a similar duplication, I noticed today, with Cambodian and
>>> Khmer.
>>>
>>> Tab, i'm cc'ing you in case you know any of the background here.
>>
>> No, I don't know the background. All of the styles were imported from
>> the old 2003 draft, plus a few extra added due to feedback. The ones
>> mentioned here are the old ones.
>>
>> ~TJ
>
>
> --
> Richard Ishida, W3C
> http://rishida.net/
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