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[Bug 19505] Describe visual direction when document encoding is iso-8859-8

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:18:21 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19505

Tomer Mahlin <tomerm@il.ibm.com> changed:

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--- Comment #30 from Tomer Mahlin <tomerm@il.ibm.com> ---
One minor comment on "visually ordered data are a dead end". It is absolutely
not true in the context of mainframes. Main source of visually ordered data is
coming from mainframes and large data bases. First of all, no one is planning
on stopping producing / developing / marketing mainframes.  Second, no one is
going to change ground rules of Bidi data storage in the mainframes. Finally,
not only the legacy data(huge volumes of data) but also new data generated and
stored on the mainframes in many cases is stil visually ordered one. Thus at
least from the storage perspective we are not talking about any short or long
term strategy of moving away from visually ordered data to logically ordered
one. 

In the context currently discussed we are interested in scenarios in which this
data from legacy system appears on the web page. 
There are different ways to address the problem. For example: 
1. Change bidirectional layout of the data before it reaches the web page (this
way the data when it reaches web page is already logically ordered)
2. Provide tools (basically set of widgets) which allow proper work with visual
data in a general web application.

Considerably more details can be found at:
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-visual-vs-logical 
and also in articles / materials linked to it.

With general tendency of software to move to the Cloud / Mobile worlds, the
need to properly work with legacy (visually ordered) data is more obvious than
ever. There are efforts underway aimed at development of JS based widget
library (based on Dojo) which has full support for legacy data. In this
solution the data is converted to Unicode (however, it remains to be visually
ordered). To support work with visually ordered data we use standard HTML
markup.

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