- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 07:00:44 +0000
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
07 Mar 2013
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Mar/0012.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Richard, Felix, John_O, John_K, Mati, Aharon,
David
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Action Items
2. [6]Info Share
3. [7]Reviews
4. [8]What Time is this Meeting At
5. [9]bidi change proposal
6. [10]Ruby Use Cases
7. [11]Charmod-Norm
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
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Action Items
<r12a> [14]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
close action-189
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-189 Announce ruby note will be
published as note, last call for next week.
close action-190
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-190 Write to contacts and cjk list
about bopomofo handling as base and as ruby text.
close action-191
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-191 Request comments on wiki page
about bidi change proposal to robin, bidi list, winter list,
and html.
close action-192
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-192 Solicit from input Unicode on
skipping spaces in css3 text-decoration specifically ethiopic
word sep, etc..
close action-193
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-193 Supply CSS3 with pictures of
skip-ink for tibetan or khmer.
Info Share
Norbert: ecmascript
<Norbert> [15]http://norbertlindenberg.com/ecmascript/intl.html
[15] http://norbertlindenberg.com/ecmascript/intl.html
Norbert: published first draft of second edition
... adds time zone ids
... from tzinfo
... can specify language for casing
Reviews
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[
[17]http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/drafts/contacts-manager-api
]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/drafts/contacts-manager-api
norbert volunteers to shepherd :-)
HTML+RDFa and XInclude 1.1: no comments
What Time is this Meeting At
[18]http://www.doodle.com/nzks8wivyfuk84mw#table
[18] http://www.doodle.com/nzks8wivyfuk84mw#table
JcK: stick to 1600Z and check for whom this is a problem?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: poll for heartburn for keeping call
at 1600Z [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-194 - Poll for heartburn for keeping
call at 1500Z [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-03-14].
bidi change proposal
richard: didn't move wiki forward because of discussion of
... IE in stds mode is doing isolation
... so use case of "old hacks" might not be important?
... so crucial question
... simplest way to is change semantics of @dir
... and that would be easiest
... want to discuss that
aharon: agree with your analysis
... did more IE testing
... if non-stds mode, does weird stuff
... if span with @dir
... isolates stuff following
... but not preceeding it
... so weird
... can't say IE has isolation
<JcK> Having had that scheduling discussion, regrets for next
week -- IETF meeting conflicts with anything after 1130 UT :-(
aharon: but can say that currently a lack of interop
richard: how to decide?
... three scenarios
... ask HTML WG?
Norbert: anyone rely on embedding
... and how does it work with IE
... if no one relies on
... then can change
richard: aharon had examples of it though
aharon: actually found examples in pages designed for IE7
... those pages would have been broken by change in IE
richard: how many more fixed than broken by change??
... so maybe some uplift too
aharon: probably right thing to to
... but don't believe my opinion will carry day
richard: two items docuemented
<scribe> ... new @direction
... add two new values
... and third would be change semantics
matial: limit damage with semantics change
... by giving guidance for using RLM etc
... using same markup, so to get same behavior you'd add
enclosing RLM/LRM
aharon: new version of article gives that as guidance now
richard: need to put in front of HTML and CSS
... need to edit wiki first
... won't get to for two weeks
<scribe> chair: to look at in two weeks
aharon: one other thing
<scribe> ... new attribute values
... dependent on using css hack for transition
... css-hack doesn't work
... for IE7 and earlier
... nothing works there
... totally ignore (and doesn't show css) any @dir with
unrecognized values
... as if @dir=foo is not even there
richard: please send me examples for wiki
... so can be complete
aharon: okay
<r12a> ACTION: Aharon to send Richard notes about IE behaviour
wrt direction [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-195 - Send Richard notes about IE
behaviour wrt direction [on Aharon Lanin - due 2013-03-14].
Ruby Use Cases
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/Overview2.html#us
ecased
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/Overview2.html#usecased
richard: started making edits
... more I thought about it...
... combining new thing with old thing
... hypothetical cases were pretty historical
... didn't think I'd have time to fix it
... but deciced to plunge ahead
... much better document (and shorter too)
... so have rewritten a lot (most text touched)
... so back to needing to review
... need wide review
addison: think this is useful
Norbert: markup?
richard: space issue
... everyone pretty prints their html for examples
... this causes spurious spaces
Consider the sequence: がつgatsu月. There are no spaces in the
sequence. You don't want to insert one just because the break
occurs just before or after "gatsu". However, the opposite case
can also exist: "The word 月 appears in this sentence." 月 wants
spaces around it here. It is the layout context that matters
and this cannot be determined strictly from the characters at
the line break location.
doesn't work for Thai either
richard: should move away from current html5 (another reason)
... open/close <rb> tags help
<r12a>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/white-space/
results-white-space#wfh
[22]
http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/white-space/results-white-space#wfh
<r12a>
[23]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/white-space/
results-white-space#thai
[23]
http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/white-space/results-white-space#thai
<scribe> ACTION: richard: request fequest feedback on ruby use
cases with an eye towards publishing updated version in two
weeks [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Request fequest feedback on
ruby use cases with an eye towards publishing updated version
in two weeks [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-03-14].
s/two weeks from 7 March from 7 March/
Charmod-Norm
[25]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CharmodNormProposal201
3
[25] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CharmodNormProposal2013
[26]http://inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-1.1-draft.html
[26] http://inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-1.1-draft.html
Norbert: add search cases for user text and user interaction
with text
... rather than identifiers, etc.
addison: wouldn't affect content authors and wouldn't affect
specs
... but implementatinos of "find" would be
AOB?
addison: will take css skip spaces next week, will send email
with the feedback
<matial> Bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: poll for heartburn for keeping call at
1600Z [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Aharon to send Richard notes about IE behaviour
wrt direction [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: request fequest feedback on ruby use
cases with an eye towards publishing updated version in two
weeks [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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Richard Ishida, W3C
http://rishida.net/
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