- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:25:25 +0000
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
16 Jan 2013
    [2]Agenda
       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jan/0035.html
    See also: [3]IRC log
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-irc
Attendees
    Present
           Addison, Richard, Emile, Koji, Felix, Norbert, Jan,
           Mati, David
    Regrets
    Chair
           Addison Phillips
    Scribe
           Addison Phillips
Contents
      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda and Minutes
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]What Time Is This Meeting At?
          5. [9]Pending Reviews
          6. [10]ITS v2 review
          7. [11]AOB?
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
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Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
    close ACTION-167
    <trackbot> Closed ACTION-167 Review john daggett/david baron's
    case tests and suggest any changes/additions needed.
    <r12a> [13]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
      [13] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
    close ACTION-171
    <trackbot> Closed ACTION-171 forward comments on case
    sensitivity to CSS.
    <David> I saw the CSS case (in)sensitivity discussions, but had
    little to add.
Info Share
    <scribe> chair: welcomes two new members
    richard: MLW workshop in rome in march
    ... you should register soon, as seats are filling
    <r12a> [14]http://www.multilingualweb.eu/rome
      [14] http://www.multilingualweb.eu/rome
What Time Is This Meeting At?
    > There's a zakim crush at 16:00 due to large telecons starting
    up. If we want > to spill over, even a little, past the hour
    allocated, we may need to move the > start of the telecon
    forward, since we will be unpopular if we go past the top > of
    the hour.
    <Norbert> [15]http://www.doodle.com/848xxp36vvhtd32f#table
      [15] http://www.doodle.com/848xxp36vvhtd32f#table
    propose thursdays
Pending Reviews
    [16]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
      [16] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
ITS v2 review
    [17]http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
      [17] http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
    [18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/35
      [18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/35
    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013J
    anMar/0065.html
      [19] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0065.html
    Norbert: translate attribute
    ... didn't see anything about other items that need
    localization
    ... e.g. a color or an image that need localizatoin but aren't
    *translated*
    ... is there an attribute that allows to make localizable?
    <fsasaki>
    [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#LocaleFilter
      [20] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#LocaleFilter
    felix: there is a locale filter that could select items for
    localization
    norbert: need a way to markup and manage items that need to be
    localized, but not for translators to make different words
    <fsasaki>
    [21]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#externalresour
    ce
      [21] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#externalresource
    felix: would be useful to have examples
    Norbert: bidi
    ... active discussion about isolates
    ... and ITS has directionality
    ... depend on HTML5?
    <fsasaki> [22]http://tinyurl.com/its20-testsuite-dashboard
      [22] http://tinyurl.com/its20-testsuite-dashboard
    felix: on direction, our test suite dashboard
    ... lists what's been done
    ... first table has row for dir
    ... ENLASO and U.Limerick working on it
    ... don't render, but do pass
    ... worry about ruby
    ... no implementations working on
    r12a: concern why direction section is non-normative, should it
    just be in BP doc?
    ... ruby continues to change in HTML5
    ... understood that those sections there
    ... possible to edit before release
    ... to reflect latest thinking
    ... can change because non-normative
    ... v1 of ITS did implement
    norbert: what's in ITS 2 doesn't match ITS 1 or what will be in
    HTML5
    ... needs extension spec?
    direction: keep, note that developments are coming
    ruby: take out as unimplemented
    direction needs to be normative if present
    r12a: largest issue
    ... discussion "what about dfn and <term>"?
    ... stuff about relationship of ITS to HTML5 goes to BP doc?
    ... unclear on objectives viz HTML5
    ... move unclear stuff to BP document was my understanding
    ... but document objectives suggest that ITS would document how
    ITS relates to HTML5
    felix: aim is to show how ITS native metadata in HTML5
    ... some exceptions
    ... @translate attribute maps directly to/from HTML5
    ... also @lang
    ... those exceptions have clear mapping
    ... point about stuff like dfn or term
    ... HTML can use for different purposes than ITS uses for
    ... HTML <dt> was focued on
    ... not a straight-forward mapping
    <fsasaki>
    [23]http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/#relating-its-plus-xhtml
      [23] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/#relating-its-plus-xhtml
    felix: hard to justify hardcoding a rule such as the dt rule
    Norbert: should be note on "similar" elements to describe
    potential mappings
    r12a: if it's only situations where normative relationships can
    be drawn between HTML5 constructs and ITS constructs, then the
    ITS spec needs to make point much more clearly
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
    [End of minutes]
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Richard Ishida
Internationalization Activity Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/
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