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[ISSUE-91] Re: ITS2 ruby issue i18n-ISSUE-210, i18n-ISSUE-215

From: Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 09:33:31 +0100
Message-ID: <5188BC5B.1070209@cs.tcd.ie>
To: public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org, www International <www-international@w3.org>, "w3@norbertlindenberg.com >> Norbert Lindenberg" <w3@norbertlindenberg.com>
Hi Norbert,
Thanks you for you input on the Ruby topic. This is to confirm that we 
have now removed the Ruby section from the ITS2.0 editors draft and 
included an appendix H stating:

"H. Ruby and ITS 2.0 (Non-Normative)

ITS 1.0 provided the Ruby data category. ITS 2.0 does not provide ruby 
since as time of writing, a stable model for ruby was not available. 
There are ongoing discussions about the ruby model in HTML5. Once these 
discussions are settled, in a subsequent version of ITS, the ruby data 
category may be re-introduced."

Please inidicate if you are satisfied with the response. If we don't 
hear from you within two week we will take it you are satisfied.

Kind Regards,

On 09/04/2013 18:42, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Thank you, Norbert. We are planning to publish a "hearth beat" working 
> draft on Thursday. I then would propose that we remove the section as 
> you suggested, but mention that this is something that we want to get 
> feedback about before leaving last call.
> Best,
> Felix
> Am 09.04.13 18:53, schrieb Norbert Lindenberg:
>> I still think this section should be removed entirely, since it adds 
>> no value to the standard in its current form. It might be useful to 
>> explain in an appendix why it's been removed, and that it may 
>> reappear in a later version.
>> Norbert
>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:52 , Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>> Hi i18n colleagues,
>>> this issue
>>> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/87
>>> "whitespace change in ruby example" is done, see
>>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-ruby-implementation-1 
>>> I was wondering how to move forward with this issue
>>> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/91
>>> "parts of the ruby section should be removed"
>>> We had various discussions about this in the i18n WG. From these I 
>>> see two options:
>>> 1) remove the section completely
>>> 2) keep the section but have it *mostly* (see below) empty, saying 
>>> "the ruby model in HTML5 is in flux. The ruby section may be updated 
>>> in a subsequent version of ITS".
>>> The original comment
>>> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/91
>>> said that the local part of the ruby section should be removed. But 
>>> with that, all that would be left is this sentence in the 
>>> "definition" section:
>>> "The Ruby data category is used for a run of text that is associated 
>>> with another run of text, referred to as the base text. Ruby text is 
>>> used to provide a short annotation of the associated base text. It 
>>> is most often used to provide a reading (pronunciation) guide."
>>> We could keep that sentence also as part of resolution aproach 2).
>>> The global ruby section
>>> is like local ruby specific to XHTML, see the names of the "pointer" 
>>> attributes at
>>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#ruby-global 
>>> so it might be rather confusing to keep the global approach. 
>>> Besides, since ITS1, it seems there has been nobody implementing 
>>> ruby globally.
>>> Best,
>>> Felix
Received on Tuesday, 7 May 2013 08:34:00 UTC

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