- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:24:05 +0100
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
27 Jun 2012
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jun/0009.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Richard, aphillip, dclarke, andrewc, Norbert, koji
Regrets
Felix, Mati
Chair
any opposed to sending to WG
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda and Minutes
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Web Notifications
5. [9]Ruby Document
6. [10]TPAC 2012
7. [11]AOB?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
close ACTION-126
<trackbot> ACTION-126 Contact Ian H. about feasibility of
adding attributes for bidi isolation closed
(AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) study additional bidi controls proposal
and express support or lack of support for it at Unicode
Info Share
koji: UTR#50 and writing mode
... preparing data files which is a snapshot of utr50
<koji>
[13]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#vertical-orient
ations
[13] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#vertical-orientations
koji: now in ed
... will have 1 or 2 more WD before last call
... please provide feedback
... attended subgroup of UTC
... two telecons
... told them about things we expected
... which should go in next draft
... but publishers need something now that is stable
... very helpful if someone can check out the datafiles in
draft, especially for CJK important code points
<r12a>
[14]https://www.w3.org/2012/06/mlw/public/mlw-project-final-rep
ort.pdf
[14]
https://www.w3.org/2012/06/mlw/public/mlw-project-final-report.pdf
richard: link to final report on MLWeb project
... finished at end of March
richard: but final review was last friday
... reached "exceeded expectatoins" score
... which is highest
... will continue workshops in ML Web LT project
... which ends in 2014
... need to look at funding models
Web Notifications
[15]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw-file/tip/Overview.h
tml
[15] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
Norbert: raised issue 161
... no way to specify the language
... safe to say what the language is?
... does the User Agent know?
... possibility of multiple items, each tagged with a language
... so the user agent can select
... which one to display
1. The presence of 'direction' each attribute (title, body) is
nice to see, but it would be good if there were also a "lang"
attribute for each. Content language is used to influence the
display of Notifications (line wrapping, font selection, etc.).
The language attribute should be a String containing a BCP 47
language tag.
2. (Section 5). It's a little odd that title is converted to
Unicode before setting the direction, while body has its
direction set first. Can those be made consistent?
3. (Section 6). The Unicode Bidrectional Algorithm should be
referenced directly here. As written, it's hard to understand
unless one is already familiar with the concepts. Rules from
UAX#9 are referenced by name here, so there should be an
explicit reference to it. Note that such a reference is
included in the references section already.
appears to be there now
<r12a> [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-notifications-20110301/
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-notifications-20110301/
[17]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/shortlog
[17] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/shortlog
4. (Section 7.2). Should normalization play a role in comparing
'tag' values?
think we are coming to conclusion that answer is 'no'
<scribe> ACTION: addison: send Web Notifications comments
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Send Web Notifications comments
[on Addison Phillips - due 2012-07-04].
Ruby Document
<r12a>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html
richard: not a finished item, but question is: "can I publish a
new public WD"
koji: think it's good to go public
richard: add something about double-<rt>?
koji: not sure if current spec can read this way
Norbert: when reading...
... elements not defined, e.g. <rp> I *think* means parens,
etc.
richard: don't hvae a link to HTML5 sections that describe
ruby, etc.
... document assumes some familiarity with Ruby and HTML5 ruby
... and add links/refs
Norbert: not aware that CSS and HTML can generate DOM elements
when parsing
... anonymous boxes
richard: starting to develop an opinion... maybe not change
HTML5
... but might change how markup behaves
... might not need <rb> as long as can get anonymous box
norbert: multiple <rb> followed by multiple <rt>?
richard: requires singificant reengineering?
... can do nested ruby now
... and almost sort of works
Norbert: no model where can get a "yes" everywhere in table in
doc
koji: fantasai and I think jukugo is a style rather than markup
issue
... haven't got time right now to work on ruby styling just now
... but document describes issues and shows possible approaches
norbert: might be good to have preferred direction mentioned
somewhere, if there is one?
richard: want to be neutral now?
<scribe> chair: who supports publishing as a FPWD?
<DClarke> +1
koji: yes
andrew: yes
<r12a> yes
addison: yes
norbert: yes
<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish ruby approaches document as
First Public Working Draft and announce [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Publish ruby approaches
document as First Public Working Draft and announce [on Richard
Ishida - due 2012-07-04].
richard: will change target of comments from public-i18n-core
to www-international
TPAC 2012
[22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012J
un/0008.html
[22]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jun/0008.html
koji: will be there, try not to conflict with CSS
> Lyon, France > [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/
[23] http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/
norbert: currently we are scheduled Th/Fr and CSS is Mo/Tu
... maybe
addison: maybe
<DClarke> I may be able to, but I'll have to decide closer to
the time
<r12a> i'll be there
AOB?
next week: CSS3 Writing Mode
also Flex Box
richard: charter went to W3M review today
... should hear in about 2 weeks
<r12a> [24]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_history
[24] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_history
richard: look at discussion items list
... review items
norbert: 49 open items in the HTML-prep
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: send Web Notifications comments
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish ruby approaches document as
First Public Working Draft and announce [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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Richard Ishida
Internationalization Activity Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/
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