- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:03:43 +0900
- To: Goutam Kumar Saha <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
- Cc: www-international@w3.org
- Message-ID: <44619E5F.4080204@w3.org>
Hello Goutam,
I received your mail. It may take some time until you see it on the
list. If it is not on the list in a few hours, I will investigate further.
Regards, Felix.
Goutam Kumar Saha wrote:
> *From:* Goutam Kumar Saha <mailto:goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
> *To:* steve@zilles.org <mailto:steve@zilles.org>
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org> ;
> www-style@w3.org <mailto:www-style@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:55 AM
> *Subject:* Fw: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
>
> Hi Steve,
> The newspaper text that you have sent is not of Hindi. It is in
> Bengali only.
> Yesterday, I sent one example in Bengali.
> Thanks.
> Regards,
> Goutam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Goutam Kumar Saha <mailto:goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
> *To:* www-style@w3.org <mailto:www-style@w3.org> ; Richard Ishida
> <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
>
> Hi All,
> For Devanagari script, Bengali and Assamese scripts etc, we often use
> first letter styling ( with or with little extended headstrokes or
> without headstrokes ). Content Editor uses increased font size / style
> face for the so called "a drop letter." Question of aligning
> headstrokes does not arise here. Bengali example:
>
>
> Regards,
> Goutam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jose <mailto:jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
> *To:* Richard Ishida <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
> *Cc:* www-style@w3.org <mailto:www-style@w3.org> ;
> www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
>
>
> Namaste Sir
>
> What you pointed out is correct since south indian languages doesn't
> have the headstrokes as in Devanagari. Moreover the feature
> of first-letter styling is desirable in South Indian languages
> (Malayalm,Tamil,Telugu & Kannada). I will sent details of the rules
> for the first letter syllabification of these languages later ..
>
> Thanking you
> Jose
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Ishida <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
> *To:* 'Jose' <mailto:jose_stephen@cdactvm.in> ; www-style@w3.org
> <mailto:www-style@w3.org>
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 05, 2006 6:30 PM
> *Subject:* RE: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
>
> Namaste Jose,
>
> Thank you for your contributions about Indian typographic
> approaches.
>
> Please see, in connection with this first-letter topic,
> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2006/01/20/request_for_feedback_usefulness_of_first
>
> The i18n activity discussed this with CSS WG at the Technical
> Plenary and Elika Eternad has proposed/will propose some new
> text that recommends that this is handled by implementations
> using language-specific rules. It will suggest that a good
> starting point for implementations applying the style is
> Unicode's default grapheme cluster (which ensures that most
> combining characters are styled with base characters). In the
> case of Malayalam additional rules would be needed, to apply the
> styling to a whole syllable.
>
> The question in the blog item linked to above was "Does
> Malayalam (or another Indian script) actually do such a thing as
> first-letter styling?" I heard from some people in Delhi that
> it is not typically done for Devanagari script - which is not so
> surprising given the difficulty of aligning headstrokes. Since
> Malayalam doesn't have a headstroke, this doesn't apply. I take
> it from your mail that such a feature *is* desirable for
> Malayalam. Please confirm.
>
> RI
>
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>
> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
>
>
>
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> *From:* www-style-request@w3.org
> [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Jose
> *Sent:* 05 May 2006 13:29
> *To:* www-style@w3.org
> *Subject:* First Letter Styling for Indian languages
>
>
> In CSS3 Selectors working draft(
> ref:http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/) I found only the
> description of the usage of single letters for styling of
> first letter.And it is stated that some languages have
> specific rules about how to treat certain letter
> combinations.(Example given was the
> Dutch(ref:http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#first-letter)
> But i didn't find any description for the implementation.In
> the case of Indian languages single letter styling is not
> applicable.
> The description for the styling of first letter for
> malayalam (An Indian language) is given below.
>
> When using 'first-letter' pseudo element the following
> combinations can come .
>
> 1.single character(vowel script or consonant script)
> Eg:
> സ,ക,അ,ഊ...("sa"-U+0D38,"ka"-U+0D15,"a"-U+0D05,"uu"-U+0D0A,...)
> 2.consonant cluster+vowel
> Eg:ക്ഷ,ത്ര,ജ്ഞ,സ്കൂ...("ksha"-U+0D15U+0D4DU+0D37,"thra"-U+0D24U+0D4DU+0D30,"jna"-U+0D1CU+0D4DU+0D1E,"skuu"-U+0D38U+0D4DU+0D15U+0D42,...)
> 3.consonant+vowel marker
> Eg:ജൌ,ഹേ,സൂ,കൈ...("jau"-U+0D1CU+0D57,"hee"-U+0D39U+0D47,"suu"-U+0D38U+0D42,"kai"-U+0D15U+0D48,...)
>
> Please give us your valuable suggestions for the above
> mentioned things.
>
> Jose Stephen
> CDAC-TVM(INDIA)
>
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