- From: C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@acm.org>
- Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:15:20 -0600
- To: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>
- Cc: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" <cmsmcq@acm.org>, member-i18n-core@w3.org, www-i18n-comments@w3.org
On 4 Aug 2008, at 18:05 , Phillips, Addison wrote:
> ...
> I should note that we did solicit and receive comments from the
> schema WG, particularly from Ashok, when this Note was originally
> written. We (the authors) understood the reasons for Schema's
> design decisions and any negative connotations were, I stress, not
> intentional--excepting to point out that zoneoffsets cannot do
> certain things.
OK. Point well taken. I apologize for my hypersensitivity; mostly,
the public discussion of XSD has given me good opportunities to
develop a thick skin, but every now and then something gets
through ... :)
>> (2) The passage quoted also seems, in the phrase "choose which zone
>> offset to use", to overlook the possibility of representing such
>> wall-clock times with structures like an offset-free xsd:time value
>> in one attribute or element and a code for the time zone (e.g. PT
>> or America/Los_Angeles or ...) in another.
>
> That is, of course, a possibility. The point we should be making
> here is that you need a *structure* if you need actual time zone
> operations. I should point out that most applications don't need
> time zones at all. One of the revision points would be to enumerate
> the use cases. It's more useful to say "if (situation x) do (y)"
> than merely say "xs:date doesn't work for this".
Yes, I think that's true.
>
>>
>> (3) in section 1.4.1, the phrase
>>
>> a meeting that is always UTC-08:00 (and thus at 7:00 in the
>> morning in Pacific time during parts of the year)
>>
>> seems unclear to this reader. What does it mean for a meeting to
>> "be UTC-08:00"? I think you mean "a meeting that is always
>> scheduled for 08:00-08:00", but only you can say for certain.
>>
>
> This is actually a scenario you should be familiar with from W3C:
> twice a year most of us move our teleconferences to account for
> daylight savings coming on/going off in various parts of the world.
> Since these aren't synchronized in time, we sometimes have a couple
> of weeks where the conference happens at the same universal time
> ("08:00-08:00"), but at a different wall time (Pacific time moves
> from 8 to 7, for instance). That's because Zakim doesn't change to
> Summer Time the same date as say London.
I am indeed familiar with that scenario; it's just that the sentence
seems
to be phrased a little loosely. A strict reading, or a reader who is
having
trouble following the document, might object that a meeting can always
be scheduled at a particular clock time in a particular time zone (or
at a particular time zone offset), but it's as unusual to say that a
meeting
is "always UTC-08:00" as it would be to invite you to attend a meeting
scheduled for Pacific Daylight Time, without mentioning a particular
time of day, in that time zone (or time zone offset).
best regards,
Michael Sperberg-McQueen
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