- From: Jukka K. Korpela <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:30:03 +0200
- To: <www-html@w3.org>
Nicholas Shanks wrote: > <ssml:phoneme alphabet="x-apple-macintalk" > ph="hAXrtfIXdSIXr"><ssml:phoneme ph="h a1 r t f ah0 d sh ah0 r" > alphabet="x-cepstral-swift">Hertfordshire</ssml:phoneme></ssml:phoneme> That's not HTML, is it? But maybe it is of interest to see that no <abbr> or <acronym> markup is present, or needed, and wouldn't be needed even if you wanted to specify the pronunciation of an abbreviation or an acronym (in whatever sense). > FWIW I define 'acronym' and 'abbreviation' as follows: > > abbreviation: a shortened form of a word or phrase > acronym: an abbreviation of a phrase constructed from the initial > letters of its constituent words. There are many definitions for them, and that's part of my point. Your definition for "acronym" does not match the definition in many dictionaries, but at least it's _some_ definition (in contrast with HTML, which does not define it at all). > Acronyms, in good typographical environments (e.g. print), should be > lettered in small-caps. This is even reflected in the sample style sheets for HTML in CSS specs. This is one of the many reasons why the markup is not useable. Some day some vendor might take such ideas seriously. (There's no reason why a browser should display acronyms in small-caps _by default_. Besides, small-caps are not displayed by browsers. Instead, font-variant: small-caps makes them use reduced-size capital letters, which is - as any typographer could tell you - something completely different, and inferior.) > Abbreviations tend to be all lower case, or initial capital. They tend to be all kinds of things, depending on language and abbreviation > There are also some crazy hybrid things like "MySQL" which is a word > and an acronym conjoined. There are many kinds of hybrids, and they're becoming increasingly common especially in marketese. > On teletext and their website, the BBC are notable for doing something > weird, where acronyms pronounced as a word, such as NASA, are initial- > caps only: Nasa. Acronyms pronounced letter by letter, such as BBC > itself, are all caps. Such practice is standard (prescribed by language authorities) for Finnish and most probably for many other languages using a bicameral script. Except that they're not called acronyms. > They don't use small-caps and give some lame > 'doesn't work in all environments' excuse. It's lame indeed. "Doesn't work at all" would be better, if we're discussing the WWW. Prove me wrong by giving the URL of web page that contains small-caps text. Fake "small-caps" won't do. (Rule of thumb: the height of a real small-caps letter is close to the x-height of the font. And you _don't_ create it by using a capital letter in reduced font size.) > The same excuse they use > for stripping all diacritics off foreign words. It's not comparable at all, since diacritics generally work fine on the web. And BBC probably drops diacritics only when they are relevant, in words that are really foreign to the editors. -- Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca") http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
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