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Re: Legacy elements (was : Complex Table Examples)

From: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:14:20 +0100
Message-ID: <46470F2C.8090704@splintered.co.uk>
To: www-html@w3.org

David Woolley wrote:

>> Let the creation of dialects be so simple that each discipline
>> can generate its own, without needing to burden core HTML
> This is div/span HTML, which I don't believe that you want.

It's about finding a subset that is generic enough, without being too 
generic...which, admittedly, is no small endeavour.

> But, at least for var, I would suggest that most authors ought to use at 
> various times.  I'd also suggest that at least half authors writing in a 
> commercial context will need to use the kbd and sample concepts at some 
> time.

The argument brought against subdivision of different cases of <i>, 
however, was: do authors today actually bother doing this? Yes, they 
ought to, and I myself try to use them...but applying the same logic and 
burden of proof that the WG seems to place on those other elements, 
that's not enough. Again, I think this is more about arguing the 
arbitrary process used, not necessarily those elements themselves.

> Exactly, but that does affect how authors use HTML, and you are making a 
> case in terms of how they actually use HTML, rather than how they should 
> use it.

 > If you exclude semantic elements simply because few people use them when
 > the context demands, one does, pretty much, end up with presentational
 > HTML.

That's the argument that's prevailed on this list in those other 
discussions. That, and how WYSIWYG tools could never force authors 
towards using clearer semantics.

Patrick H. Lauke
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