- From: Jeroen Budts <jeroen@lightyear.be>
- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:35:39 +0100
- To: Lachlan Hunt <lhunt07@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
- Cc: www-html@w3.org
I can remember there was already a discussion about this. And somebody
proposed version 4 which is the best version I think.
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
b) It would mean that authors would have to take care that they wrote
the date, following the format < exactly. If an error was made, such as
using '-' instead of ':', or omitting the T, or anything else, user
agents may find it useless, and unable to process.
indeed but isn't that the same about forgetting a slash in a tag like
<img src="foo" alt="bar" /> ?
Kind regards,
Jeroen
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I would like to propose that XHTML implement a <datetime> element for
> the purpose of rendering, obviously, dates and times. I have noticed
> some messages in the archives from a few months ago that mention
> various date tags and formats, but none that I thought provided a
> really good option.
>
> I have come up with several alternatives for this.
>
>
> Version 1:
> The first places each field in a separate tag, as follows:
>
> <datetime calendar="gregorian" locale="au" tz="+10:00">
> <day>Tuesday</day>
> <date>28</date>
> <month>10</month>
> <year era="CE">2003</yr>
> <time>13:10:15</time>
> </datetime>
>
> This has the advantage that older browsers that won't support the tags
> will still render the content such as:
> "Tuesday 28 10 2003 13:10:15"
> which is atleast readable, though not perfectly formatted. However
> new browsers that do understand the tags will be able to apply, (also
> older browsers that support CSS, if it provided by the author) will be
> able to format the date in a presentable manner such as:
> "Tuesday, 2003-10-28 13:10:15"
>
> Plus, browsers from other languages will see the calendar, locale and
> tz (timezone) attributes and be able to perform calculations, or other
> formatting to present the date in the user's preferred format, or even
> convert to a different calendar. xml:lang may also be used here to
> specify the language, if it is different from the rest of the document.
> The era (which would default to CE) attribute also allows historians
> to write dates as BCE.
>
> Note: I am proposing the use of CE (common era) and BCE (before
> common era), instead of AD and BC because of the relationship of the
> latter to christianity.
>
> It may also be an option to use <hour>, <min> and <sec> tags, rather
> than just the single <time> tag, but it may be unnecessary to break
> time down that far.
>
>
> Version 2:
> Alternatively, this could be written with each field as attributes,
> and have default text, for rendering in older user agents, within the
> tags.
> Using CSS, this default content could be hidden, as in the <object>
> tag, for example, and use the attributes when printing the date, or
> perform conversions before rendering by the browser.
>
> <datetime calendar="gregorian" locale="au" era="CE" year="2003"
> month="10" day="Thursday" date="30" hour="13" min="10" sec="15"
> tz="+10">Thursday, 10 October 2003, 13:10:15</datetime>
>
> Possible CSS to render this could be written like this (or some other
> variant):
> datetime:after {
> content: attr(day) + ", " + attr(date) + "-" + attr(month) + "-" +
> attr(year) + ", " + attr(hour) + ":" + attr(min) + ":" + attr(sec);
> }
>
>
> Version 3:
> The third version simply specifies the calendar, locale, era and tz,
> along with a format, as follows:
> <datetime calendar="gregorian" locale="au" tz="+10:00" era="CE
> format="dddd, dd-MM-yyyy, HH:mm:ss">Tuesday, 30-10-2003,
> 13:10:15</datetime>
> This would allow user agents to understand the format that the date
> has been written in, and allow alternative rendering, or conversions
> to be performed.
>
>
> Version 4:
> My final version simply uses an attribute that specifies the
> international format, with default text rendered within, as before.
>
> <datetime datetime="2003-10-28T13:10:15+10:00">Tuesday, 10 October
> 2003, 13:10:15</datetime>
>
> However, I see two problems with versions 3 and 4:
> a) The browser would need to support this tag to be able to reformat
> the date in any way. I'm not aware of any css that can process a
> string like this ("2003-10-28T13:10:15:00+10:00") to seperate content,
> reformat and display.
>
> b) It would mean that authors would have to take care that they wrote
> the date, following the format exactly. If an error was made, such as
> using '-' instead of ':', or omitting the T, or anything else, user
> agents may find it useless, and unable to process.
>
> Thus, I prefer either my first or second alternative because it
> clearly seperates each field, making it easier for authors, and CSS
> designers to format. Perhaps some combinations of these four
> alternatives that I have not considered could be used.
>
>
>
>
>
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