- From: <hallam@zorch.w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 12:12:37 -0500
- To: preece@predator.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Scott E. Preece)
- Cc: hallam@zorch.w3.org, www-html@w3.org
>(a) Napoleon would be particular interested in >my personal data, if he were still alive [that is, what is "a Napoleon >behind every URL" supposed to mean" Perhaps not Napoleon - although he did have a formidable secret police. Stalin certainly would have been. One of the concerns which we have is the maintenance of such links. As an example, in Singapore the telephone logs are analysed to find out which social networks people belong to. People are arrested on this basis. singapore is a somewhat extreeme example of a modern police state in that the entire design of the state is intended to prevent opposition groups forming. This even extends to not building eating space into homes and subsidy of prepared food so that people eat and in particular entertain in the street and restaurants and not in private where it is harder to observe who is talking to who. [I have very good sources for this analysis by the way]. While Singapore does not have massive human rights abuses on the scale of Stalin's Russia and its convenience as an ally means that it is rarely categorised as a police state it is impossible to escape that conclusion. There are many other countries which would like to be able to monitor dissident activity. China, Kewait, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia to mention but a few. I believe that the Web should be a tool for democracy which means allowing even those we disagree with a voice. This is one reason why I believe that we should make it easy for data to be collected with the users informed consent becuase by doing so we reduce the need for people to devise mechanisms that allow data collection without consent. [This bit following really is off topic, the bit above is not] >(b) on what imagineable grounds >one would describe Napoleon as a "homicidal maniac" and put him in the >same category with Hitler and Saddam? Napoleon was responsible for the death of a far greater percentage of the population of Europe than Hitler. There is no justification for any of Napoleon's campaigns. They were undertaken for no other purpose than to agrandise his Imperial regime. Looking at the matter historically Saddam is a far closer match. Napoleon was a better general, but not much. Napoleon's victories aginst the Spanish and Italians were against inferior troops. His defeat by the Russians and at Warterloo were due to being out generalled. Both Napoleon and Saddam attempted to create a unified region under their own depotic rule. Hitler's genocide tends to mask the magnitude of his larger crimes. While six million Jews and four million other people the NAZIs disliked were murdered the total death toll due to Hitler is sixty million. Most of these deaths were the result of the war Hitler started. While conventional morality seems to place making war into a special category which is excused condemnation I see no reason to excuse the majority of the deaths caused by Hitler on some medieval notion that war is an honourable persuit. Given that all three men caused the death of millions in an ultimately futile campaign to unify a region I see very good grounds to consider them equivalent. Just because one of the criminals lived a bit longer ago does not really make much difference. If people had grown up in the 20s and 30s with a view of Napoleon as a homicidal maniac rather than as some kind of hero then people might not have been as keen to let another person try to copy him. Phill
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