Re: XHTML Test Suite Minimal document

At 17:29 +0100 13/12/00, Karl Dubost wrote:
>>My tools are not up for demo.  You could look at The Open Group's tools
>>as an example, although it is several years old.  The URL is
>>http://www.opengroup.org/vsnetcom/
>
>I will look at it.

OK I just have a fast look on it. I see the principles. It's a way to 
do the things.

I'm concerned with many things in these tests. They are not valid 
themselves. They do false assertions like:

http://www.opengroup.org/vsnetcom/htroot/html3.2/body/block/blockquote/1/?v=YOURACCOUNT&ts=0001
****
Was the quotation text rendered with an indented left margin? Yes No Skip

Assertion: When a BLOCKQUOTE start tag is encountered, the left 
margin shall be moved toward the right margin prior to rendering the 
contents. When the BLOCKQUOTE end tag is encountered, the left margin 
shall be reset to its previous value.
****

This test does not guarantee the good use of the blockquote tag. 
There's no obligation to render the text as an indented text. HTML 
3.2 says

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32#bq
****
BLOCKQUOTE

<!ELEMENT BLOCKQUOTE - - %body.content>

This is used to enclose block quotations from other works. Both the 
start and end tags are required. It is often rendered indented, e.g.
****

So if you say yes to the answer, you pass the test because it's what 
you see, but that's not true.

So I imagine that there will be many cases that will be difficult to 
treat and some are not a question of rendering but also of structure 
or semantic.

In html4, for example http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/text.html#edef-Q

<q> tag
***
User agents should render quotation marks in a language-sensitive 
manner (see the lang attribute). Many languages adopt different 
quotation styles for outer and inner (nested) quotations, which 
should be respected by user-agents.
***

It means that in US, it will be double-quoted and in french you will 
have the "chevron"  « Ce texte est une citation encadrée en français 
». etc.

-- 
Karl Dubost / W3C - Conformance Manager
           http://www.w3.org/

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