Re: Preparing to launch the Forms Task Force ...

consensus? Among 79 members? My god you're a positive man aren't you? :)

Joost  de Valk

On Mar 12, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Dave Raggett wrote:

>
> Ian,
>
> Whilst we might end up at that starting point, it is very important  
> for consensus building to start from the use cases and assumptions  
> and to ensure that all participants have a shared vocabulary. That  
> might sound like wasted time to some, but experience shows that it  
> saves time in the long run.
>
>  Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett
>
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Ian Hickson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Dave Raggett wrote:
>>>
>>> As a starting point, the Task Force would be expected to collect use
>>> cases and assumptions, followed by work on the basic design  
>>> choices that
>>> flow from them.
>>
>> Wouldn't a better starting point for a forms task force be to  
>> build on the
>> work of the Web Application Formats working group? Art (the chair  
>> of that
>> group) has already proposed that this group take over publication  
>> of their
>> document, which is currently a W3C WD document.
>>
>> I would recommend that the forms task force continue this earlier  
>> W3C work
>> and lead the document to Last Call.
>>
>>
>>> Whilst it might seem easier to start from a detailed proposal and to
>>> discuss tweaks to that, we are more likely to end up with a  
>>> concensus
>>> across the wide variety of experience and opinions in the two  
>>> working
>>> groups if we start by building a shared vocabulary and a common
>>> grounding in the use cases and assumptions.
>>
>> To get from use cases to the proposal the WAF has suggested we  
>> work on
>> took the better of three years of heavy work. Given that we have  
>> to reach
>> REC by 2010 (according to our charter), which includes shipping  
>> "multiple
>> independent complete and interoperable" "widely used"  
>> implementations, I
>> humbly suggest that a more practical approach would be to start with
>> something that already has native shipping experimental  
>> implementations in
>> actual browsers, and which already has a spec nearly complete.
>>
>> I do not believe there is any way we could reach REC by 2010 if we  
>> started
>> collecting _use cases_ today.
>>
>> -- 
>> Ian Hickson               U+1047E                ) 
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>

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