- From: Aaron Reed <aaronr@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:58:27 -0600
- To: www-forms@w3.org
Mark Birbeck wrote:
> Hi Aaron,
>
>
>>I thought that this shouldn't work because you have no model.
>> I know that you can lazy author instance, but I didn't think
>>that you could lazy author the model along with it. Can you
>>lazy author a model or did you just miss the model element
>>when you authored the example?
>
>
> No, those examples are fully working examples (minus the formsPlayer
> object/import tags, so as not to detract from the markup). There is no need
> for an empty model element.
>
> Which reminds me of something I thought of ages ago, which is that it would
> be great if we allowed xf:submission outside of the model. This is because
> the next step on from the example I gave before would be to send the data to
> a server, ideally like this:
>
> <html
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
> xmlns:xf="http://www.w3.org/2002/xforms"
> >
> <head>
> <title>Lazy Authoring</title>
> <xf:submission
> action="http://example.org/search.asp"
> method="get"
> />
> </head>
> <body>
> <xf:input ref="fn">
> <xf:label>First Name:</xf:label>
> </xf:input>
> <xf:input ref="sn">
> <xf:label>Surname:</xf:label>
> </xf:input>
> <xf:output value="concat(fn, ' ', sn)">
> <xf:label>Your full name is:</xf:label>
> </xf:output>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Unfortunately you can't do this, and instead you have to wrap the submission
> in a model:
>
> .
> .
> .
> <title>Lazy Authoring</title>
> <xf:model>
> <xf:submission
> action="http://example.org/search.asp"
> method="get"
> />
> </xf:model>
> .
> .
> .
>
> It's not a lot of work, but I think it's a shame because at this point in a
> new user's initiation into the world of XForms, there is no need to learn
> about models; even if you were to only use the following XForms features:
>
> * the various input controls;
> * hints and help;
> * xf:submission;
> * xf:output with @value;
> * ... and of course, 'lazy authoring'
>
> you would already be able to create forms that can do more than the vast
> majority of current HTML forms, and you could do it with not a single line
> of script.
>
> (And if anyone is wondering how come the submission in this example works,
> recall that the default for xf:submission/@ref is "/", and thanks to the
> 'first model, first instance' rule this will select the root node of the
> instance that was automatically created by 'lazy authoring'.)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Birbeck
> CEO
> x-port.net Ltd.
>
> e: Mark.Birbeck@x-port.net
> t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232
> w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/
>
> Download our XForms processor from
> http://www.formsPlayer.com/
>
>
>
>
FYI Mark,
I tried your testcase and it did indeed work in fP 1.3.5.1018. But this
testcase didn't.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ASCII"?>
<html xmlns:xforms="http://www.w3.org/2002/xforms"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
xmlns:ev="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml-events">
<head>
<title>no model testcase</title>
</head>
<body>
<h2> You should be able to enter a value in the input and have it
reflected
in the ouput after tabbing out of the input field.
</h2>
<h3> Exercises sec. 4.2.2 of the spec </h3>
<xforms:group>
<xforms:input ref="value">
<xforms:label>label for input: </xforms:label>
</xforms:input>
</xforms:group>
<xforms:group>
<xforms:output ref="value">
<xforms:label>value in the input field:</xforms:label>
</xforms:output>
</xforms:group>
<!-- Uncomment this and this testcase works -->
<!--
<xforms:model/>
-->
</body>
</html>
Received on Friday, 6 January 2006 23:17:05 UTC