- From: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
- Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:06:08 -0800
- To: www-forms@w3.org
- Message-ID: <OF5F496BC7.D75737C0-ON88257238.0060C1F4-88257238.00637159@ca.ibm.com>
Well, team, based on being the most hotly contested issue at the working group face to face meeting, we do need to spend some time discussing the meaning of the message action. The following is my opinion offered to initiate discussion by the working group and the XForms community. At the working group face to face it was suggested that we should not disallow message from acting as a general dialog just because it is spelled m-e-s-s-a-g-e. Yes, we should. For starters, the name of the thing should reflect what it does. Otherwise, why not name all of our vocabulary foo1, foo2, ..., fooN instead of insert, delete, input, ..., repeat. If you want a dialog, use d-i-a-l-o-g. Moreover, if the lessons learned about the new prompt action in 1.1 are any indication, a dialog *action* should almost certainly not directly contain the UI content for the dialog. The dialog UI content should be indicated by reference so that the capture and bubble phases of events for controls within the dialog do not trigger behaviors from the containing UI control(s) that activated the dialog. At the face to face, it was shown that the content model for message includes UIInline, which the spec says that a host language *should* add inline host language markup. As a minor technicality, we can't really say *should* about the host language. We can only say *may*. But regardless of the categorization, the claim is that this sentence means that host languages can put any host language constructs into message. First of all, xforms:input is from XForms not the host language, so changes of UIInline should not include any input controls from XForms. Moreover, observe that the spec is clear on what elements from XForms can appear in message: output. Finally, just because a host language *may* add host language markup to the message element does not mean that the host language is allowed all of itself to the extent of violating the very definition of the message action. Designers of host languages integrations with XForms are expected to be discerning about what gets added and what is allowed to work. Perhaps XForms could be a little better defined by separating this use of UIInline from others, but the definition of message is as follows: "This action encapsulates a message to be displayed to the user." The above definition for message categorically does not admit a two-way dialog with the user. The intent of the action is to provide a simple, lightweight ability to provide information *out* to the user. The ability to make host language additions is intended to support that definition by providing a means to enrich the presentation of the message, not to allow an end-run around the definition of 'message'. We have a future requirement to create a dialog construct. Let's do that so that we can curb the tendency to misuse message as the feature we need but don't have. Thanks, John M. Boyer, Ph.D. STSM: Workplace Forms Architect and Researcher Co-Chair, W3C Forms Working Group Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software IBM Victoria Software Lab E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com http://www.ibm.com/software/ Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer
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